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2/4/13 11:38 AM

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John for JESUS wrote:
1. Jesus is talking to Jews who had believed
2. Rms 1:19 states "that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them." Yet they still did not accept the truth

1. The Bible is talking to Christians today.

2. Rom 1:19 [1] NOT saving knowledge.
[2] NOT "truth" which saves.
[3] NOT Christian belief.
[4] NOT faith the gift of God.
[5] NOT indwelling of Holy Spirit.

Rom 1:19 [a] This "knowing" is from mortal observation of Creator God.
[b] This "knowing" to all mankind is God as the creator of the world.
[c] V20 qualifies this "knowledge" manifest of creation. - "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
[d] V21 sin takes over the mortal mind.

Truth and saving knowledge is from God the Holy Spirit. - NOT from mans faculties or observation of his surroundings.

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2/3/13 1:21 PM

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John for JESUS wrote:
Not sure how it is the other way around by those verses

You said below quote; "2. The Bible says having known the truth unbelievers reject the truth in unrighteousness"

Jesus says quote; "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32.

If providing the sinner with the truth sets them free then surely the "unbeliever" could not have "known" the truth, else this would have set him free.

I think the problem which the unbeliever/reprobate has is that he does not have the ability to receive the truth. This being provided by the Holy Spirit and God's gift of faith.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

2/2/13 7:02 PM

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John for JESUS wrote:
2. The Bible says having known the truth unbelievers reject the truth in unrighteousness

No! Turn that round the other way. Because:
"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17
"For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness." Rom 6:20

"10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes 2:

"18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1Cor 1: