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This is not an Arminian vs. Calvinist issue. The type of Calvinism that would not allow for self defense or defense of family may well be a form of hyper-Calvinism that would not even allow for the open call of the Gospel. And I say this as a Calvinist myself. I also say that there is nothing unbiblical about self defense. Even Jesus recognized that that there were times when it was necessary to be armed. Luk_22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Luk_22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. You see it's one thing to live by the sword and another to defend yourself with one, or a gun for that matter. I hope that I do not have to explain that that principle applies to both swords and guns. While I myself do not own a gun (though maybe I ought to), I support the individual's right to bear arms, and if the bible has anything to say about it, it looks like Jesus would not have had anything against an armed populace. And no, there was no evidence in that passage that Jesus was merely engaging in hyperbole.
The public perception of the police over the years is changing. Wherein at one time they were perceived as a member of the community, a helper and a servant, that perception has largely changed to one of an occupying force. I personally have been pulled over and ticketed three times for trumped up offenses that I did not commit probably for nothing more than to try to provide "revenue" for the local municipalities. One gets the idea that they are becoming less about law enforcement and more about enforcing the will of individuals. (I.E. politicians, special interest etc.) I remember reading what William Penn said once, that a people who would not be ruled by God would eventually be ruled by tyrants. I personally am not for a police state, but I can't help but wonder if what William Penn said is not the dynamic at work here. And no, I'm not for the killing of police, OK?!
It's not New Year's Eve yet. Didn't he pass NDAA when everybody was too busy partying on New Year's eve 2011? You know. That's the law that says that an American citizen can be arrested without warrant, imprisoned indefinitely without trial, without anyone else's knowledge and even be executed if he were merely suspected of being a "terrorist." (see FBI's list of potential terrorists) Ever since the Patriot Act this kind of stuff was piled on under the cover of darkness while we were busy watching football or attending our "Passion" conferences. It doesn't help when Christians are being turned into Romans 13 zombies that do not do the work of a Berean when it comes to they're favorite 'those who seem to be somewhat' pastors' distorted teachings on that passage that do not contain the entirety of the of the biblical witness regarding a Christian's true relationship to the government. Personally I will console myself with the truths in Ps. 37 in regards to wickedness in government. Psa 37:1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
He's probably into eugenics and mass population reduction like his arch buddy over at Microsoft, Bill Gates. These don't support "gay rights" because they actually believe in the equal treatment of sodomites or because they're intimidated by their influence. They want to PROMOTE sodomy because they know that sodomy kills people. Sodomy is just another means of population reduction to them, and that's what they want to see.
The Reformers and the Puritans taught that the seat of the papacy was Antichrist. That position still makes the most biblical sense. When and why did we do away with it? I guess we must be smarter than them.
Michael Hranek wrote: Elmer Do you mind telling me what you mean in this "Romans 13 Cult" you are talking about? Thanks
"Romans 13 cult" makes reference to those ministers and churches that teach a variety of distortions of this passage that require unconditional or quasi-unconditional submission to the state. For example, many of the evangelical churches in Nazi Germany would have fallen into this category.
This is par for the course for anti Reformation Jesuits. From the outset when Ignasius Loyola founded it, to this day, they have been involved in doing the devil's work worldwide, both ecclesiastically and politically. Whether by works of benevolence or by political intrigue, their goal has been and always will be to bring about a reversal of the Protestant Reformation. Professing Christians(?) like Tim Keller and others, need to stop promoting Loyola's works and start renouncing their unfruitful works of darkness. I won't be holding my breath though.
Mike wrote: So Graham shouldn't say what he said, though true, because he has planks in his eye, which Biblically speaking must mean America has only splinters in hers. Interesting. Gives a whole new perspective on the nation. No new perspectives here Mike. But just for giggles, if you had planks in your eye and I had planks in mine, would I be able to see clearly to pull the planks out of your eye without pulling the planks out of mine first? Wouldn't I have responsibility for mine first, removing them thereby giving me clear vision to see yours so I can warn you of them. That's my point Mike, OK? Nothing unbiblical here. No new perspectives, on Paul or anything else.
If America was founded by Free Masons alone we probably never would have had a first amendment or a bill of rights as these would have presupposed freedom of conscience and other freedoms which were concepts that flowed from Reformation teachings. Free Masons, Illuminati and so forth despised Reformation teachings. As for Billy Graham, while he may be right in what he says here, he really has no ethical right to say it insomuch as he has a few planks hanging from his own eye. 50 years of selling out the gospel in order to preach the gospel by promoting apostates and Romanists as Christians is sin. His next "message to America" needs to be one of personal and public repentance for these things. I, for one will not be holding my breath.
FG wrote: Yet Franklin Graham wants these Chinese house churches to forget about obeying God rather than men, and make sure that they obey their government and register their churches with the state approved apostate three self patriotic national church.....right into serfdom.
To be accurate, his words were "I would not support any illegal activity at all" in reference to Chinese laws prohibiting house churches and proselytizing. In other words in some cases we should obey men rather than God. Again, right into a Christ betraying, gospel selling out type serfdom. PLEASE PRAY for our faithful brethren in Communist China and I hope that they're praying for us here because I really wonder how well we would do if we were in their situation.
Yet Franklin Graham wants these Chinese house churches to forget about obeying God rather than men, and make sure that they obey their government and register their churches with the state approved apostate three self patriotic national church.....right into serfdom.