David Preston wrote:
1.acts 16 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
2. Gods will can be broken.

You must stop excluding God from the equation David.

David Preston wrote:
1. Eph. 1- the "us" is "in him." You did not get " in him" until you did something and that was call upon Jesus Christ.
2. By the way you break Gods will everyday when you sin myself included.

David Preston wrote:
Here is a better way to look at Eph. 1:4
The key is "in him." Who did God choose? Those who are "in him."

Why "predestinate" if all GOD was doing before the foundation of the world was chosing a method rather than a person?? A method which apparently you want to come from a NON-discerning sinner???

God does NOT predestinate a vague human possibility to come to Christ.

God does not predestinate a choice within the erroneous notion of human free will which doesn't exist.

God does NOT predestinate a competition with sin in the mortal - with sin as a possible winner - And God as a loser.

God does NOT predestinate man saving himself per the Roman Catholic/Arminian salvation by self help method.

God does not predestinate defeat of those whom HE can foreknow - "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son" Ro 8:29.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being ***PREDESTINATED ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSE OF HIM*** who worketh all things after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL:

Christopher000 wrote:
Is the latter part of this thread about the definition of "all" for God so loved the world..., and go into all the world and preach...?
Some of you are saying that the "all" refers to every man, woman, and child, everywhere, while others say it refers to the elect? If so, how do we know who God's elect are? With that in mind, wouldn't the "all" really mean all to us, not knowing who's who?

But God does the electing without any merit in man.

As per...
Eph 1:4 According as *HE HATH CHOSEN* us in him (WHEN) = *before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having *PREDESTINATED US* unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure OF HIS WILL"

Thus God has "chosen."
God chose - before the foundation of the world.
God - "predestinated."

BTW
"Chosen" in the Greek is;
eklegomai
Middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense); to select: - make choice, choose (out), chosen. (from Strongs)