Sharp Rebukes: The Right Way with the Right Result
Titus 1:13 KJV
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Galatians 2:10 KJV
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
And he [Jesus Christ] said unto them [All the women and men at SermonAudio], He [and She] that hath ears to hear, let him [and her] hear.
And the ones of you, men and women, at SermonAudio that don't have ears to hear just keep on back biting each other and laying false charges against saved brothers and generally being as foolish as you currently are.
while certain of you will probably tear my last post apart, I am going out shortly to try and win some people for Christ. But what do I know, stupid me trying to reach people for my Lord.
SteveR wrote: Good choice Dopey Pointless is correct. TS is a textbook definition of Totally Depraved. Worse, it sits here 24/7 to spew vile responses about issues it clearly doesnt understand. I would recommend the doomed creature spend its time listening to the treasure of fine sermons here, but I think it would only pervert and corrupt whatever truth it heard
Thank you for your kind words SteveR, perhaps you will understand for MH, JUK and TS are blissfully unaware of what God is really doing.
The Secret SteveR is found in Scripture I previously quoted:
Habakkuk 1:5 KJV
Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
John UK wrote: The dispute was NOT over DOCTRINE. Now perhaps you can explain to me what it is in my long post that you disagree with, seeing it is fundamental, sound doctrine, which all those involved in the Acts 15 dispute believed? Hmmmm?
Goodbye John , I am sailing with John Mark see you later.
The problem my dear brother is your refusal, so far, to pay attention to Acts 15:36-41 KJV.
There was a major dispute between two good friends.
Which one of the two kept harping that he had the right answer and the other one didn't? The correct answer is neither one. They agreed to disagree and thus the dispute only involved one point and while they disputed over that one point they still remained good friends.
I can easily defend my position from Scripture but the explanation is complicated and involved and will leave a lot of people confused and not understanding certain things.
I am certain I won't have to apologize at the Judgement Seat of Christ for what I have stated so far so why not leave that between me and God. And agree to disagree with me on this point we are having a dispute about and still remain friends and not have to be "right" in anybody's eyes but God's?
P.S. I am late for an appointment and have to leave now.
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
With Proverbs 23 we get to tell the youth of Scotland, who are drinking to excess, that as drunkards they have no future for God guarantees (2 Timothy 3:16) they shall come to poverty which is a spiritual truth in that no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God but rather they shall all burn in hell then the lake of fire.
Their poverty shall be for eternity unless they are rescued and at this point the rescuer, the Lord Jesus Christ, can be introduced into the conversation.
There are many ways to get at various gospel points when witnessing to Scotland's alcoholic youth by using the outline I have presented through this post in combination with my 10/23/14 1:02 PM post.
Mind you one would have to be "bold as a lion" to do it. But born again people can be at times "bold as a lion". Are "you bold as a lion"? Or, do you waste your time cowering at imaginary boogey men?
John UK wrote: David, I don't know where you're going with this, so hopefully you will explain yourself today. It's far better than procrastination. I cannot see any paradox nor contradiction...
Acts 15:36-41 KJV And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. 37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. 38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. 39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus; 40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.
John Acts 15:36-41 is a good place to start for two good friends who have a disagreement.
I do see a "paradox" and a "contradiction". But I am aware that the complex nature of the paradox and contradiction is difficult to explain, though it can be done I believe,...More
GSTexas wrote: If you were going to quote proverbs 23 to them, it should be these verses: Proverbs 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 23:34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 23:35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
In relationship to what I was trying to achieve I like your answer the best, though I like several other answers very much.
It is obvious to a perceptive person where the Spirit of God was leading. In that my "More" was from Proverbs 23 and had to do with advice against stupid drinking by men and women.
You accomplished in principle my tactic, using Scripture other than mine...More
Troll Spotter wrote: Foolish idea! There is enough offense in the cross without you adding to it by your silly insults! We are called to win people, not put their backs up!
Troll Spotter, I tell you truly, based on you comment to me, if I was witnessing to you in Scotland today, about Scottish youth consumption of Alcohol I would start by asking you if you are a "fool" because you act like one, then I would bring in Proverbs 23:9 and follow in principle what I dealt with in my last comment...More
I have an appointment for 2:00 pm est. which is 14 minutes from now, and I have to get ready to leave. My "more" won't get answered by me until 3:00 pm at the earliest.
However, Spirit filled men, and women for that matter, can already answer my "more" in principle. And if any one wishes to answer it please feel free to do it before I come back and give my "more".
Let's see what do we need here and now? I know!! A timely message for Scottish youth from people who are willing to try and reach them.
I wonder if there are any such born again Christians in Scotland?
Now where can we get a timely message for Scottish youth? I know!! Where I am it is 12:47 est. on October 23. How about something out of Proverbs 23.
Do you know there are people who make sure they are trying to line up the book of Proverbs with each day of the month and then reading that chapter of the book of Proverbs?
Proverbs 23:9 KJV
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
A winning technique might be to first ask the one you want to witness to if he or she is a "fool".
If they are are offended or want to know why you asked. You tell them the truth that God commanded you not to witness to a "fool", "for he [or she] will despise the wisdom of thy words." You simply tell the person that you want he/she to self judge themself as to whether they are a fool or not so you can decide whether you can proceed with an important October 23 message you have for him/her. ...More
I hate to admit it, but unfortunately since my comments at SermonAudio are sponsored I have to take a time out here to give time to showcase my sponsor. I hope no one will criticize me too much, a few bucks is a few bucks.
John UK wrote: It's not an easy one, Chris. Bill claims that Jesus has given him a message to take to the people. I've had a look around on his official website, as he is now in fulltime ministry after he and his wife had both been estate agents. There isn't enough info to evaluate his doctrinal position, although he appears to hold the fundamentalist take on making a decision for Christ and being saved through faith alone in Christ alone. He is claiming thousands of conversions. I've not read the book, but he seems to have a heightened awareness of the fact of hellfire. But I don't know. Sorry I can't offer an opinion. But we just go on preaching about hell from the Bible and salvation in Christ Jesus.
1 John 4:1 KJV
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
John, "it's not an easy one"? I say, "it's not a hard one", if we let 1 John 4:1 really sink in. All we need is
(1) to allow God to reveal some fool proof tests for us to use.
(2) Get God to give us the courage to set the tests in motion (It has something to do with being "as bold as a lion" and receiving nothing except it be given us from heaven, that is, God.)...More
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
The course of the age prophetically requires things getting worse not better before the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ as testified to by 2 Timothy 3:13 KJV in the context of all of 2 Timothy chapter 3.
An up to date illustration of the truth contained in the last paragraph, from today's events, is provided from this screen capture I grabbed earlier today from the CBC internet website.:
John UK wrote: David, "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." It is also true that some who live morally outside of Christ Jesus, will also suffer persecution. Many persecutors do not differentiate between Protestant and Catholic, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon, Christadelphian or Unitarian; Christendom gets all lumped together, and they do not know the differences, despite there being massive differences. Dying "for the faith" is no guarantee the person has true saving faith. They believe something, but that something may be a deception, as we find in the Roman Catholic church.
John, my dear brother , as is usual with your comments they are in my estimation so profound. You can take someone else's comment and in essence expand it with your extensive knowledge of various born again Christian knowledge as well as what the world calls "Christian" knowledge.
That's what I like about SermonAudio there are so many men and women Christian experts who know exactly what they are talking about versus many "Christian" websites where it seems the stupidest people get to be the main expositors.
12. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
Are you suffering "persecution" to some degree? If not, 2 Timothy 3:12 testifies against you.
The course of the present age is outlined in verse 13. It is not going to get any better but rather worse before the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The antidote for the "persecution" and the continuing escalation of evil prophesied of in verses 12 and 13 is found in verse 14.
I myself have been recently persecuted to a degree I have never before experienced in my life. There is no question I have been rattled by the persecution and therefore need to concentrate very heavily on verse 14.
The level of persecution in regards to me by no means rises to the level of that in our news article, "Christians Persecuted for Their Faith Will Serve 6 More Years in Remote Iranian Prisons". However, personally I believe we should pray for all people whom God causes us to be aware that they are suffering persecution for "living godly in Christ Jesus."
Well someone did show up to testify on behalf of the wrist slitter in the hospital with a nervous break down. A female friend was determined to say something of value on behalf of the woman. After awhile however, the friend started to get angry at the attitude of some nuns taking evidence against, I mean "for" the woman in the hospital.
Finally the friend got extremely angry and told a nun that what was going on reminded her of the Spanish Inquisition, and the nun told that was quite taken aback.
Eventually, a decision was made about the annulment and the wrist slitter who was out of the hospital by this time, received an official document announcing the official decision of the Roman Catholic Church, and she read it.
The Annulment (2) The Annulment (1) 10/14/14 11:11 AM
The husband who came up with the Roman Catholic Church annulment plan was heard to say, and I paraphrase, "I got lot's of money", "And I know who to contact".
Strange as it may seem, not to long there after there was an annulment hearing, while the lady wrist slitter was in the hosiptal with a nervous breakdown and thus couldn't attend the annulment hearing.
Would any one attend the annulment hearing to represent the lady in the hospital with a nervous breakdown? Or, would the "husband" have it all his own way and get his quicky annulment?
John UK wrote: I realise this is a secular world's version of a prophecy, but if it is based on current statistics, it could well come to pass, and anyway we shall know within two months seeing as the projection is short term. And if found correct, what will the projection be for six months?
I remember posting that around a million cases of Ebola were expected by this January according to one writer. And then someone poo pooed my comment.
P.S. Have you ever had communication with someone called stardaisy?
Troll Spotter, I know your very good at spotting trolls, however, your not as good as you think you are. For instance, have your troll spotting abilities enabled you to, before this post, spot the troll