After a ceremony at the Al-Islah Islamic Center -- attended by the city's mayor, members of City Council and a priest from nearby St. Stanislav Catholic Church -- the key to the amplifier was issued and Hamtramck's first call to prayer was chanted into a microphone and broadcast over loud speakers atop the mosque building.
But not everyone in the community was pleased by the unanimous decision by City Council in April to approve an amendment to Hamtramck's noise ordinance and allow the prayer broadcasts.
"I wouldn't want that piped in my window. I'd like to be able to go to sleep," said Jerry Radziszewski, a Hamtramck resident. "We have no idea what's being said or sung or anything. We have no idea. To us, it's just noise. That's it. It's racket."
The mosque is located across the street from St. Ladislaus Catholic Church. The city's former mayor, Gary Zych, said that on some days, the church bells may sound off at the same time as the mosque's call to prayer. He added, "That's what you call harmony."
( I think they've gone to all 5 prayer calls now, after starting at just 3)
hidemi williges wrote: This seems to me, to be the way new testament Churches started. The amount of Christian literature and Bibles being smuggled into China is amazing considering how strict the Chinese government is.
Amen, I've been watching a lot of China church news ( good call to prayer).
It seems to be an ongoing miracle, to see just how well the church survives in the midst of persectuion... and the common attitude among many in the U.S. that 'house churches' are somehow 'cultic' or 'wrong' is hard to line up with what our brethren in the rest of world have to do to survive.
Which is more dangerous? the house church or the mega church???
pg 25(cont.) "...a miracle of creation. Some suggest that this miracle was performed on Mary herself so that all her genes were made immaculate.Others suggest that the miracles was performed only on the genes in the particular egg cell which the Holy Spirit "artificially inseminated" with an immaculate sperm cell of His own creating. Still others think that Mary's egg cell was somehow purified by the Holy Spirit of all inherent sin and defect and the, caused to grow by a process of parthenogenesis. Actually, any or all of these amount to the same thing as direct creation! The body formed in Mary's womb either must have been specially created or else all of the genes in Mary's egg must have been specially re-created, one or the other. In either case, there could have been no direct transmission of physical, mental or spiritual characteristics (all of which, in every man and woman, are contaminated by sin) from Joseph or Mary or David or Adam. To say otherwise is to imply that the Lord Jesus Christ received a sin-nature by inheritance, and this would disqualify Him as Savior. But this wonderful miracle of creation in no way detracts from His full humanity. He experienced the same complete human life experienced by everyone,EXCEPT FOR SIN!" H M.Morris King of Creation
From "King of Creation" H M Morris 1980 forward by Josh McDowell
Pg 24b "He "did no sin," He "knew no sin," and "in Him is no sin" 1Pe2:22,2 Cor5:21;1Jn3:5. ...It was absolutely essential, therefore, that His human body be free of an inherited sin-nature, and even from mental or physical defect resulting from inherited mutations. Biologically and genetically, there was no way this could be assured except by a miraculous conception, accomplished in such a way that none of the sinful and defective attribute of either parent could be transmitted to Him. The question is-how could this be done? All who believe in the virgin birth recognize that a miracle was required- but page 25 what kind of miracle? Could it be merely a providential statistical juggling of Mary's genes so that those which carried the "sin-factor", as well as specific physical and mental defective mutations were somehow screened out? Hardly, because all of Mary's genes (no less than those of Joseph) would have been carriers of sin. There is neither biological nor theological basis for thinking that sin affects only certain genes and chromosomes and not others.
No, a "Grade A" miracle [creating either matter or energy of a higher degree of order] is absolutely required, a miracle of creation." ...
DJC49 wrote: "...who espouse that Jesus Christ had absolutely NO CONNECTION to the entire race of men descended from and including Adam.
well, when you find that straw man, burn him at the stake, but looking at Paisley, Cairns, Bob Jones(es), Morris, etc. links, I find NO one saying what you just said.
You just got done saying one should read the links before citing them.
Where do these say 'absolutely no connection' to anything other than the sin nature, which is bypassed by a new creation? "The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man" Jer31:22.
Jesus Christ, "a new" "flesh & blood" "thing" is connected by birth, law, tribe(Judah), nation, religion, language,etc. to Israel&Adam.
"In the last three years, the Federal Reserve has created over $4 trillion in new money out of absolutely nothing. As these huge new piles of phony money flood the banking system, the phony money already in circulation becomes worth even less, which leads to higher prices. We accept the vague term âinflationâ to describe this giant rip off, as if some immutable force of nature is the cause of our shrinking paychecks. But, make no mistake âThis meltdown will ultimately spell disaster for every American. ---- "So far, the only solution being talked about is more of the same failed monetary policies that got us into this mess in the first place â more fake money, more debt, more usury. It is time to demand a return to sound money." " Paul urged Americans to bypass both major party candidates and instead vote for a candidate such as Chuck Baldwin. Appearing on CNNâs popular Lou Dobbs Tonight program while in Washington, Baldwin was told by Dobbs, Americans had âa good reasonâ to vote for him.( See Lou Dobbs TV transcript and a YouTube clip of the show) Sugar Daddy Government
Right now, Obama's ahead in my state by about 15 points-
I'm going to vote for a good Christian man - Chuck Baldwin!
Mike wrote: This verse would seem to provide a formula of sorts: body+spirit=soul.
Genesis 2:7 also has support from
1 Thessalonians 5:23. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
these 3 set a good foundation for the teaching of a tripartite nature of man.
God made the atom (electron, neutron, proton)& created a world (land, sea, air),within a universe(matter, time and space). He created time(past, present,future)and space w/3 dimensions(length, width,height). He created matter with its normal 3 states (solid, liquid, gas), etc. from Henry M. Morris
And God has his signature on His word 66(3x22) Books in the BIBLE [39(3x13) in the O.T.-27(3x9) in the N.T.
Jesus Christ was crucified at age 33, after a ministry of 3 years. He spent nine(3 x 3) hours on the cross, with 3 of those hours in darkness. He was buried for 3 days and 3 nights, and resurrected on the 3rd day.
Matthew 17:21 Matthew 18:11 Matthew 23:14 Mark 7:16 Mark 9:44 Mark 9:46 Mark 11:26 Mark 15:28 Luke 17:36 Luke 23:17 John 5:4 Acts 8:37 Acts 15:34 Acts 24:7 Acts 28:29 Romans 16:24 1 John 5:7 the fastest memory plan there is: and you can do even MORE verses with the TNIV, now that it has cut the end of Mark from the actual bible, and has is set off (as apocryphal) in a tiny little font after the 'real' Mark. 12 more verses! that is 29 verses from the TNIV right " " --- there. Wow!
Gotta love that! If you don't, I know who does love these subtle little changes... Gen.3:1 Does it Matter which Bible? Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Mark 8:38 "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Ps.69:9 "zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" Jn.2:13-17 Is.50:6 "I gave my back...I hid not my face from shame and spitting."Jn 19:1 Is 52:14 "his visage was so marred",Is.53:3"we hid as it were " 4,5 "he hath borne'"carried' "was wounded" was bruised" v6 "hath laid on him" v7 "was oppressed" v 8 "was taken" "was cut off"v9"he made his grave"v10,11 "it pleased the LORD" DJC49, having just quoted this passage, should have known God uses past tense in prophecy.
Hos. 11:1 "called my Son" Mt 2:13-15
And, in the link you provide us, I see it says ""Begotten" does not mean that God had a consort (a female) in order to produce a Son." This does preclude the genetics of Mary being part of the DNA of Jesus, but the link proves mainly(quite nicely to Moslems) that the Blood of God flowed in Jesus veins. Acts 20:28
reading thru a paper ml & DJC49 recommended about the "Blood of Christ" I found this "The idea that Jesus would have been tainted by sin except He was virgin-born has no basis in Scripture. " hmm? This is in a section about how all Baptists are heretics,(M R DeHaan, Waite,etc.) While McGeown thinks Paisley, Cairns to be `only' antichrists?
(fuzzy logic just pointed out in another thread that anyone of different mind is a heretic to you, till you change your mind).
I've always liked Henry M. Morris on this- When God Became Man "From conception to death, He must be "in all points ...like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15). In particular, His blood must be "precious blood . . . as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"(I Pet1:19),for that blood must be "offered...without spot to God"(Heb 9:14). Thus the body of the second Adam must be formed directly by God and placed in a virgin's womb. " ... "The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man" (Jer31:22). Note that the "new thing" in the chosen woman must be "created."... ... "...a body hast thou prepared me" (Heb 10:5). The church is bought by "God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.â--of the God/man! Ac 20:28
fuzzy logic wrote: Hypocrisy in the least...don't you think?
and their article also alleges- "blogs can generate virtual wars across cyberspace, with right-wing bloggers in America among the most extreme in their postings. "
These duds (not a typo) ever hear of Daily Kos ? or read their vitriol?? Or Huffington post.. better yet, try posting in the Evolution sites as a creationist!! talk about poison...
The left seems rational to a leftist.
a `Gore' indulgence..
Genteel Blogs Offer 'Civility Offsets' to Vitriolic Bloggers by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace Â· (2007-04-09) â A draft proposal circulating in the so-called blogosphere would allow family-friendly blogs to sell âcivility offsetsâ to vitriolic bloggers who prefer to pay for ânastiness indulgencesâ rather than to tame their bitter tirades.
Advocates say that unlike a proposed âblogger code of conduct,â the new civility offsets will not slash the number of blatant death threats or reduce comparisons between President George Bush and the common chimpanzee, but they may reduce the momentary twinges of guilt experienced by some vicious, vindictive and vitriolic bloggers."
Good to hear of ANOTHER supporter of MY party's presidential choice. I'd rather support a man who has a vision for America. An example of why Baldwin fits with what I think is a more Biblical view of government can be seen in Baldwin's Overview of Palin's views -very troubling and a good review of Evangelical's tendency to support 'republicans' is IS IT IGNORANCE OR MISPLACED TRUST? It is time today's Christian leaders learned an elementary truth: distrust of government is healthy. As our first and greatest President, George Washington, said, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
85% of students at America's largest Evangelical Seminary don't believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.
74% of the Clergy in America no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled...Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..." 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
"There is no doubt that the judgeship of Deborah is out of the ordinary, but the period of the judges is not a normal period in Israelâs history. The men are weak, as Barakâs response indicates (4:8), and the people were generally unrighteous with every man doing âwhat was right in his own eyesâ (17:6). We see what this type of society produces if the men donât assume their proper leadership roles. The people will choose a king like all the nations (1 Sam. 8), but not before adversely affecting the family and church.
There is a warning and hope in the story of Deborah as Godâs chosen judge during a time of Israelâs spiritual malaise.Itâs a reminder that men need to become leaders.At the same time, we are not called on to judge Deborahs of our time or those who support their civil work.
Why did she run for mayor of Wasilla? Where were the worthy men?How did she beat an incumbent governor in the primary and go on to win the governorship?Where were the worthy men ?It seems to me that Sarah Palin got fed up and decided to do something about what was happening.
Sarah Palinâs candidacy is an indictment on the many men who have compromised their principles."