Dorcas wrote: Yes we do not know what spirit is behind some of the screen names.There seems to be an animosity on these threads that was not here when I first began to read them and occasionly post ,about a year ago.
Wouldn't happen to coincide with the appearance of SteveR on here would it?
Neil wrote: The Emperor has no clothes: What few Christians (lay or professional) seem to realize, along with their atheistic opponents, is that *all* empirical truth claims for various origin views, including those of Young-Earthers who do not want to appear odious by appealing to Scripture, are fatally flawed. One doesn't even have to be a Christian to see the logical problems, e.g. Bertrand Russell in â€śIs Science Superstitious?â€ť If one of the most notorious atheists of the 20th century admitted fatal weaknesses in Science, then Christians better take note â€“Â and point this out to Darwinists! The mistake many Creationists make usually consists of Special Pleading: spinning the evidential speculation towards Genesis instead of Descent With Modification. But in any case, it's still a fallacy to Affirm the Consequent. I know the Flood occurred because the Bible Tells Me So, not because of fossils in sediment, which prove nothing.
What does the Bible tell you about the age of the earth?
Inhofe wrote: Do you think the Jewish europeans would have left their comfortable life as the local rich folks, to go to a mideast desert, if God had not allowed the persecutions of 1930/40's WWII Germany?
Excuse me chiming in, but this is a strange piece of logic to justify the persecution.
I could equally ask, what good has it done them? I mean both the persecution and/or the move to a mideast desert!
John for JESUS wrote: 1. ..The JW use a different gospel then the one Christians received from the Holy Spirit. 2. There obviously are evangelical churches that do.... 3. .....However, I like to get other people's perspectives and don't feel like I'm above learning from others.
1. Really? Care to explain? 2. As far as I am concerned if they call themselves Evangelical but believe at the same time that someone can be saved by the teachings of the RCC then there is something dreadfully wrong with the teachings of that church.
I recommend that you study the subject of justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Then compare this to the so called gospel of the RCC and tell me if you think that RCC teaching can save anything, let alone anyone from hell! Until you get a handle on justification you will keep stumbling in the dark.
If you want recommendations for reading, then Loraine Boettner's book on Roman Catholicism is a must and on Justification try either James Buchanan or James White.
3. I did take the trouble of looking at some of your past posts. I see no signs of progress in doctrinal matters. So precisely what have you learned?
John for JESUS wrote: 1. I question your view that the Catholic Church is totally bereft of the Gospel when it preaches out of the Gospels. 2. Not every church body believes that. I suppose that might come from Reformed churches who believe all things Catholic are evil and always have been. 3. I have only asked if the Catholic Church should be considered nonChristian and has it always been? The responses I've read here can be summed up with these responses. A. Of course it's heretical, it's the Catholic Church! B. I think it's heretical, here is a link that agrees with me therefore I'm right. C. I can't answer that intelligently, therefore you are a catholic troll! D. I don't know when it began, so I will just pretend it was heretical from the beginning.
1. Really JFJ?! So you believe that JWs are also Christian?
You had better think through what "the gospel" is! Hint, it is not just reading one of the 4 gospels!!
2. Name me any non RCC churches that believe that anyone can be saved by the RCC gospel?
3. Sounds to me like you're too lazy to do the hard work yourself, but you want the liberty not to accept and criticise any opinion that does not sit well with your current understanding.
â€śMan, being a sociable creature, is mightily encouraged to do as others do especially in an evil example, for we are more susceptible of evil than we are of good. Sickness is sooner communicated than health; we easily catch a disease off one another, but those that are sound do not communicate health to the diseased.â€ť â€” Thomas Manton
How or why then would someone converted remain in the RCC?
JFJ - can you produce a single instance of someone who was saved but God left in an institution which is not only bereft of the Gospel, but preaches a FALSE gospel?
Luther started out wishing to reform the RCC, but in the struggle came to realise that reform was impossible because corruption was too widespread and ingrained and he and his followers came out.
Just as the RCC sought to persecute him and his followers, so they she has done throughout her history. Why do you suppose that historically the RCC has been judged by most Christian movements to be the Anti-Christ and the Pope The man of Sin?
You appear not only intransigent, but also quite arrogant in maintaining your stance. Is it not time to either prove your case or shut up?
John for JESUS wrote: I have to ask if they really worship another God like the Mormons and JW? It seems to me they worship the Jesus of the Bible, not of the Book of Mormon or the NWT. The Pharisees who believed in Jesus but were confused about obeying the Law to remain saved were still Christians, weren't they?
Oh you mean the Judaizers! You think they were Christian? Seriously?!
Perhaps you should read what Paul had to say about them and the names he called them and then decide for yourself whether they were Christians or not.