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AlexanderHenderson1647 wrote: Er, nice try. You completely ignored my point- the Pope hobnobs with powerful leaders so that he can start inquisitions against Christians. Check your history books, you'll see I'm right.
Though we see a man's actions, God knows his heart.
Thus, when we read God's actual History Book in Heaven, it'll likely be quite different than what we've read or assumed.
Even so, there have been bad (unrepentant) popes who have likely colluded with other world leaders. Yes, popes can be selfish and tempted -- in short, they're sinners.
â€śHell is paved with priests' skullsâ€ť -Saint John Chrysostom
Therefore, The History Book in Heaven may report that there are more bishops and popes in Hell than previously thought. Perhaps we'll be surprised to find that significant Protestant leaders are there, too.
Nevertheless, it'll be interesting to read God's History -- not just man's limited view.
AlexanderHenderson1647 wrote: Moreover, anytime a powerful, worldly leader pops up, the RCC swoons.
The Pope is not only the leader of the Roman Catholic (worldwide Christian) Church but also the de facto Prime Minister of his own country, Vatican City.
As a political world leader why wouldn't he work with other Prime Ministers and Presidents (or even the U.N.) to share (as best he can) the Christian Gospel on the world stage?
Besides perhaps Billy Graham and Harold Camping, what Protestant leader is as popular or has as much clout as the Pope?
Finally, did Jesus Christ come and establish one church, which he invested with authority to write and interpret Scripture, and which he commanded to go into all the world and preach the Gospel (the Nicene Creed is the 1,600 year old Gospel summary) until his return?
Or did Jesus come to inspire a book, the Bible, which other groups of Christian believers, all possessing equal authority, would interpret for themselves as they carried their various versions of the gospel into all the world?
jpw wrote: You all are in over your heads with Catholics on natural family planning. They have studied this subject impeccably.
Amen. Nobody does it better.
jpw wrote: I heard the Vatican engineers can build a bridge too.....that you can walk on.
If you want to debate a Vatican engineer on salvation and have never studied how to build a bridge, just stay on topic about salvation, cuz the engineer will see through your first grade math skills...
Dopey wrote: Objective Facts: John 10:9 I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved: and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures. Douay-Rheims Bible John 11:25 Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: Douay-Rheims Bible John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. Douay-Rheims Bible
(a.) Since 1960, the U.S. has killed an estimated 227 million babies by chemical abortifacients (e.g., The Pill). (b.) If each of these persons were buried in a casket, they would fill almost 10,000 White Houses with their bodies. (c.) An unimaginable holocaust is underway. (d.) RCC remains the sole Christian protector of these tiny persons. (e.) "Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 133).
(a.) Pope is "The anti-Christ." (b.) Pope is "That man of sin, that son of perdition." (c.) RCC is "The Whore of Babylon." (d.) By joining the RCC one is an idolater, an apostate, a heretic, damned and nonredeemable. (e.) RCC hates the Bible.
"Every year I tell my Reformation history class that Roman Catholicism is, at least in the West, the default position.
"Rome has a better claim to historical continuity and institutional unity than any Protestant denomination, let alone the strange hybrid that is evangelicalism; ... [W]e need good, solid reasons for not being Catholic; not being a Catholic should [be] something we need to get out of bed determined to do each and every day."
-Eminent WTS Church History professor, Dr. Carl Trueman, "Is the Reformation Over?," November 2005
With 5-6 clinical abortions in my extended family, we've experienced a mini-holocaust in my own family.
On a larger scale, I learned that my SBC, in contrast to the Bible, didn't denounce abortion in the 1970s which could have protected my, now, aborted brothers and sisters, nephews and nieces.
Then, while a member of the PCA in the 1990s, I learned of the significant magnitude of the abortifacient holocaust. However, after discussing this with my pastor and elders (and other elders in other PCA congregations), to this day and to my knowledge, there remains no discussion of this genocide in that Presbytery or the General Assembly to warn members about The Pill's deadly 3rd mode.
Whereas the RCC remains opposed to all forms of contraception:
""Every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2370
As a 5-Point Calvinist, what were my options while on the horns of this dilemma?
"WHEREAS, Resolutions passed by the Southern Baptist Convention in 1971 and 1974 accepted unbiblical premises of the abortion rights movement, forfeiting the opportunity to advocate the protection of defenseless women and children."
-Resolution #8: On Thirty Years of Roe V. Wade, adopted at the SBC convention, June 2003
Likewise, how many decades will it take the SBC (and other denominations) to repent of their complicity in the estimated 226,675,000 killed in the U.S. by chemical abortion (The Pill) since 1960?
The SBC is still in Margaret Sanger's (founder of Planned Parenthood -- world's largest abortion provider) hip pocket. When will they and all other denominations repent from using her life's deadly achievement -- The Pill?
Per the birth control pill package insert, it can work in one of three ways:
(1.) It can prevent ovulation (releasing an egg from the ovary)
(2.) It can cause the mucus in the cervix to change so that if sperm reach the cervix, they are not allowed to enter, and
(3.) It can irritate the lining of the uterus so that if the first two actions fail, and the woman does become pregnant, the tiny baby boy or girl will die before he or she can actually attach to the lining of the uterus.
In other words, when the third action occurs, the woman's body rejects the tiny baby and he or she will die. This is called a chemical abortion.
Abortion is an act of direct killing that takes the life of a tiny human being -- a life that begins at fertilization.
Once a person realizes that all Protestant denominations rejected the Bible, embraced The abortive Pill and the RCC didn't, Faith Alone loses its staying power. FA is merely the other side of the coin of the RCC's ancient monergism doctrine.
Colson and Mohler have all but got this message.
If it weren't for this -- "He who earns his living by his faith will eventually lose one or the other" -- they, and many other pastors, would be on their way to Rome.
"Before The Pill ... sex and marriage were closely linked. If a young man wanted to have sex with a young woman, he had to â€śpay an elevated priceâ€ť for it, with a marriage proposal, if not marriage. The young woman, in turn, got a serious commitment from the young man in exchange for her sexual favors.
"But The Pill ended that exchange rate, he said. Now sex is conducted without marriage, and â€śthe price of sex is pretty lowâ€ť â€” low-commitment or no-commitment sexual hookups are common, while high-commitment marriage is postponed, sometimes for decades."
Isn't this even destroying Christian marriage and doing great spiritual harm to covenant children caught in this sexual tsunami?