John, if he's not your spiritual leader, then you're not Catholic. The Popes universal leadership is intertwined within the name and system as a whole. Technically, you can't be Catholic while denying the Pope at the same time, no matter what you want to pretend or rationalize to try and justify your alignment and identity within the system. I can't imagine there's any other person on planet earth who calls themself Catholic, yet denies their Pope. Doesn't make any sense to me.
Thanks Frank, US, Ladybug...I enjoyed reading the various perspectives. Very interesting personal evaluations and thoughts. My comment went beyond the conversation itself, even ignored it. I just didn't feel it was fair, or accurate to basically infer neither are saved, that's all. 70? Wow. : ) Very impressive your wife plays tennis five days, Frank. Inspirational even. Good for her.
B McCausland and SC don't qualify as being pharisees simply because they may have strong, alternate views on certain matters. I view anyone who does qualifies as a pharisee as being lost; knowing the law, but empty inside, and never knowing the love of Christ. Strong word for two people who I view as the polar opposite, whether right or wrong on this topic or any other.
What's troubling to me is that many who go through life believing they have been born again and are Heaven bound, are anything but. I went through life believing this because of a prayer I said at bible camp, an answer to an alter call. No matter how outrageously I lived, and bo matter what I did, I thought I was saved, no matter what. I can't imagine I was alone, and believe there are many, many, many, who believe the same, even though their lives scream just the opposite.
pennelope writes: "these crazies want to force an artist to create artwork for them??? how can they expect to ever earn people's respect with that kind of heavy handed behavior?.."
I don't even think respect is a part of their equation, but rather, taking over a nation with an iron fist. They'll settle for nothing less than every single demand, and can't stand the thought that there are those who will forever stand against them. The PC crowd now calls this discrimination, intolerance, and even bigotry and hate. Nonscense. They are clearly the ones who have hate in theor hearts. To make matters worse, they have the laws of the land on their side so they enjoy sniffing out Christian ownes businesses to fatten their purses with easy cash.
Frank Wrote: "...and he gives us no reason why we are wrong? There is no doctrine of the RCC that he can defend."
Sorry, but wrong, Frank...the reason has been given by inference many times: They do good things according to the worlds standards, e.g., feeding and clothing the poor, protesting abortion, and so on. In fact, the reason was given again in another thread just yesterday or today. Teaching, preaching, believing, and practicing provably false doctrines takes a back seat and are washed out, nullified, and even trumped, by doing good.
Soon, there will be a cure for depression and every other struggle we humans face in life at times, euthanasia. I see it on the horizon as becoming a persons right to live or die, for any reason, just like a baby in the womb can be murdered for any reason. "I'm depressed, kill me please". "Are you 18yrs of age or older"? "Yep". "Ok, we have a 2:45 slot open on Tuesday". "I'll take it". Given our changing times, I don't really see this as being too far from reality.