A while back, I was trying to discuss Mary with my mother-in-law. I was being perfectly calm and speaking nothing but facts. Well, she, very quickly, became angry, saying, "I don't know what the Bible says, but she's our blessed mother". I wanted to add this as an example to my post below.
Somebody on down the line mentioned "empty chants". I have to agree with that because so many grow up memorizing, or reading the same things over and over, every Sat or Sun; never grasping any understanding. They just know what they are suppose to repeat, and when to repeat it. I can attest to this using my wife, and many others as examples who go to mass religiously solely for the indulgence and to avoid a mortal sin. I know a lady who goes 7/days/wk. No Roman Catholic I have ever spoke to (yet) had ever read the Bible, reads the Bible, or understands the contents of the Bible when asked. All they know is that they can't miss Mass, the eucharist, or forget their envelopes. They rely on the Pope and Mary for all that they don't know; expecting them to be their mediators before God, apparently believing they will take care if everything for them. Are there born agains in the Roman church? Certainly, but I believe it's them that Christ says, "Come out of her..." to.
Hopeless Wrote: "I won't come back on sermon audio though. My questions were too much for some. I apologize if any were offended."
I read through the posts and am not quite sure who you think you offended. As for not coming back, I don't think you gave the people here a fair chance. You stormed on like gangbusters with a dozen questions in a single post, expecting immediate satisfaction because you can't seem to make sense out of anything. Like Steve said, I think, confusion is a device Satan uses to sink¬†people¬†into the place you are currently at and that place is driving you away; to the point of giving up, as you said. Hang out for a while and let the people here break things down for you, piece by piece, over time, to give you some piece of mind. I totally understand your frustration...there's a lot to grasp, but you were expecting an awful lot in a short moment of time. As for giving up...NO! From what I understand, it is more difficult to come back to Christ the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, time around and that is if one is even fortunate enough. Satan's henchmen are working hard on you and I hope Rufus can help, or the fune people here if you give them a better chance.
Maybe Rufus can just type it out for you. Many of us are just working right now, hence, the silence, for now. Forget all of the side issues and focus on Christ Himself. All of those other issues can be tackled one at a time once you feel more secure. Right now, you are all over the place trying to figure everything out at once which would be confusing for anyone. All that Steve was thinking, I think, is that many come on here as wolves in sheeps clothing, seeming sincere but having other motives. Chat soon...
Oh, and there are many on here who willbe wwilling to help once they notice your posts.
Can sooo many people who are using nothing but the Bible and Romes own words as their defense, really be so very wrong, John? You are stuck in a tunnel, refusing, or just not getting the big picture. They worship Christ as their Lord and Savior in theory, but not in practice. Mary, tradition, and even the Saints in some cases, trump Christ Himself. This can be easily proven, and has many times over, but you never respond to the real facts that everyone has posted over and over. We are not "in sane" because Luther and your brother, or whoever, are in disagreement. The Bible and Romes own traditions and doctrines speak to the truth, not mere, sinful, misguided man who gets some things right but faulters and compromises with others. Everyone here has used the Bible alone to refute the Roman machine and prove beyond any doubt, why anyone who becomes born again, should run.
John Y Wrote: "My Baptist friend and my Non Denominational brother do not believe that Catholics worship a False jesus. They believe that Catholics worship the biblical and historical Jesus because they are not insane."
Ridiculous, and whenever anyone takes this guy to task, using the Bible and Romes own words, he disappears because he's stuck like a broken record on three, same old, same old, statements. No depth, no knowledge, no defense other than to call anyone who doesn't agree with him insane and infer that they are stupid. Hmmm. What was it that the pot said to the kettle?
I do believe that miracles happen, along with prophesying, etc, when God sees fit, but I just no longer believe that people can use these gifts mentioned at will. Someone mentioned on this forum once that calling upon and using the gifts at will become mans will as opposed to God's, when we think we can just use them at any given moment, for any particualr thing, or in any particular situation. That made sense to me.
Thanks, US. My background works real hard to prevent me from being humble and not lashing back. This thread was a real test for me and it twirled around in my head all day...ha-ha. Not easy not saying anything hostile back. I didn't want to lash back at Steve because he's been doing so well. I can tell he has been trying to tame it down, although, it's not easy for any of us at times. John Y never ceases to amaze me because this is the 2nd time he's inferred that I was stupid. Hmmm. To me, that is like someone who is bald, making fun of someone else who is bald. Someone with one leg, poking fun at someone else who is also missing a leg. You all know what I'm talking about so he makes no sense to me. I have always been careful not to poke fun at him, or make mental jokes, but he keeps¬†doing¬†the very same thing that I try so hard not to, and I'm the one who would have a reason. Oh well, whatever.
I cringe whenever I hear of something being blessed. I know people who keep their palms from Palm Sunday, unwilling to toss them because they say a priest blessed them. I find it absolutely incredible how much power a Priest holds in the eyes of the church. Nobody has ever benefitted from a Priest blessing anything but their faith is too strong to see it. Not unlike the faith healers. I don't believe they heal anyone, but the peoples faith is so blind that they can't see past the music, chanting, and overall Hollywood style productions.
Thank you, Keep Praying, John, Michael, and Curious. Oh, and CV. CV...interesting. yes, the question is t I learn, for sure. I find it very difficult to comprehend all of this. Maybe the "God chose me because I chose Him" crowd believes that because it's easier to understand? Keep Praying...I hadn't given a thought to the fact that Jesus Himself prayed! I don't understand why, but it's obviously necessary. Will check out justpray.org.
Well, I believed all of this until not long ago. As for tongues, what I came to realize is that what everyone calls tongues is nothing but baby talk. Hate to say that but I have never once recognized a foreign language coming out of anyone's mouth, I have never witnessed any type of orderly control, and I have never once heard any sort if interpretation. I think most kind of know they are sneaking nonscense but feel pressured into conforming. I have asked Pastors about this, and they all told me that it was the Holy Spirit giving utterance...praying. I began to wonder, if I was saying anything at all, was I profaning God, etc. I was bothered to think this way in case I was wrong and offending God by even thinking this, but "de-de-de, da-da-da-she-she-sho-sho-sho" just doesn't add up for me.
Oh boy. The rest of the article runs down each person. I grew up in Chicago, and although you need to be on gaurd in any metropolitan area, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now. I would never go into or through the far S/SW sides and I never ventured into the Loop after dark. If I was ever out after dark, it was only on MI Ave or right off MI. Still danger then, but out of control now...in certain areas. I could never imagine taking a life.