I think this all goes back to Pope John Paul II introducing the claim before a gathering of the worlds religious leaders at the Vatican. His comment spread like a virus until here we are today with even the current Pope spouting the very same lies as the ignorant repeat them and the sheep believe. Man listening to mere man as if man knows anything.
Thanks Lurker. I see that a couple are chalking the ongoing conversation up to pride because it wasn't just let go, if I'm interpreting them properly. I gave it a little bit of thought and I don't think I'd just let something go, allowing myself to be misunderstood either. I can't get myself to understand that as being prideful, just wanting to be represented and understood properly. The way I see it is that you would have left it be several times but Geff couldn't get it out of his head. That's fine too, but it seems that the explanations just weren't quite clicking.
Well, I think we can all agree that God is, and has always been in full control, no matter how things may appear at times, especially now. Whoever ends up in office, it's because God allowed and had it all planned out even before Adam and Eve were created, knowing they would sin and fall from grace. The next president is an important piece of the big puzzle and I have a feeling that we're looking at yet another liberal to do their part in ushering in the end of days; continuing on with this nations quest to overthrow God and set man on His throne.
John UK Wrote: "Now I have to go fix my old car door which won't open driver's side. Ever tried getting in the passenger side and wiggling over the gear stick and handbrake? Phew!"
This happened to a car my mom had. My brothers, sisters, and myself had to climb through the passenger side window. Pretty embarassing as a child, hoping nobody from school would ever see us out a window or driving by, etc...ha-ha.
This is a perfect example of why a true, born again Christian just can't be involved in higher politics today. The community with all the letters is still a minority, believe it or not considering their power, but their supporters are by no means a minority and anyone running for President will need them on his/her side. Nobody running for President today can speak out against sodomy or pro-choice and be elected into office tomorrow. They would have to either lie outright, or they would have to put so much spin and double speak on the answers that both sides would be left thinking the candidate is on their side.
Great...back to Calvin and Arminius. What did Christianity ever do before either came along to set the records straight. I guess all the pre-Calvinists or Arminians, one group or the other, have been burning in hell, waiting for their final judgement, along with either the Calvinists or Arminians since then as well. Is that how it works? Whoever is wrong on the free will/ election issue is destined to burn in the lake of fire for all eternity, no matter what? Even if they believed, surrendered, and lived their lives in servitude to Him? This is the vibe I always get when the issue comes up with each camp inferring the others are hellbound, ignorant bafoons, deserving of what's coming their way.
Hi Dave, some Jewish historians/archeologists are now saying that the temple was in a different location, solving the mystery of how it can be rebuilt with the well guarded dome sitting there. Who knows. What else is interesting is that the priests have been set in place, all of the various implements that will be needed have been reproduced in perfect detail, and the long sought after red heifer is now available and in their care in an undisclosed location in Israel. I don't know, but interesting times ahead.
What I take away from this is the mass pity party that Islam and its followers have been getting lately. I see so much spin going on, and ever so convincingly, that the very same people who are confirmed terrorists, supporters, or sympathizers are also being coddled and called friends at the same time. The logic is so odd. One of these could toss a bomb into a daycare, then hold a press conference the following day and walk away with sympathizers arguing how misunderstood they are and that the children asked for it somehow because one of them drew Muhammed with horns. I don't usually watch the show, but Steve Harvey was on the other day with Muslims making a case for how misunderstood they are. The show was dedicated to this. They wanted the world ti know how peaceful and loving they are and that they believe the opposite of what the terrorists do and that the Koran is a book about loving each other, etc. Anyone who doesn't know any better ate up everything they said. Many will pick uo and fight for a cause without ever bothering to collect any facts.
Thanks Mike and John. I know there was a time when everyone believed leaving the Roman system meant eternal suffering. I believe the older crowd still believes this but some doubt has crept in with the more recent generations and the fear of eternal punishment has been greatly diminished. What I see now isn't a fear of leaving and commiting a mortal sin, but rather, the fear of what family and friends would think. Being Roman Catholic has become robotic and most answers to the question, "Why are you Roman Catholic", are met with, "That's how I was raised", and "because my parents are". These are the same answers one would get from most Muslims, Mormons, and JW's, etc. Everyone is more afraid of what friends and family will think instead of the eternal repercussions of not caring what God Himself thinks and has to say on the matter.
I used to judge others quite often. Whenever I noticed a personality flaw, or a little crack I could grab onto to express my disdain, I would do it. I didn't realize until later in life, when I had an epiphany one day, that I had been such a hipocrite. I came to recognize that I was actually worse than many whom I had judged for this or that, and sometimes, the many all together. I was so blind to my own faults and was pretty shocked when my eyes were opened. Now when I catch myself, I ask myself, "Who in the world am I, of all people, to be judging anyone"? I believe in righteous anger and judgement, but am also hyper-aware now of my many faults and slips so I'm very careful now how I respond to the sins of others and will pray for them instead of being the hipocrite I was and responding as if I had perfected every aspect of my own life. Don't misunderstand, Just speaking for and about myself.
The mere fact that it's even legal in this nation to murder a human being at will, and for any reason, whatsoever is barbaric enough and shocking that even one human being on planet Earth is okay with it. Then, as if that shouldn't be bad enough and every single man and woman outraged, it's taken a step further with the same being butchered, dead and alive, bagged, tagged, and sold like a commodity and life just seems to go on. Society isn't shocked, outraged, or disturbed in any way. Instead, the courts, attorneys, and lawmakers fight for the continuation of the mass slaughter, as they look into the cameras like a deer in the headlights, as they say, "Hey, what's the big deal?". They're so callous that they really just don't get it.
Frank wrote: "When I was baptized and confirmed by my RCC priest as a young man, it meant nothing. My heart was full of lies and I understood nothing."
I cringe when I see infants baptized into the Roman faith, which according to them, imparts salvation, sealing the eternal deal as long as they don't commit a mortal sin, like leaving the church. I also cringe when I hear about confirmations, post catecism. All part of the "process" of salvation. Makes me so angry that these kids are indoctrinated from childhood into such a false system and encouraged not to read the bible, but to get all they need and any questions answered, even forgiveness, through a minion of Satan, disguised as an angel of light. Enraging.