Tell you what Mike you call me George Whitefield and I'll call you John Wesley! Or we can do the 5th century version I'll be Augustine and you can be Pelagius?
John UK wrote: you have not produced one verse of scripture to prove your theory of indwelling before faith.
Thats a lie John. Christians should tell the truth.
Paul teaches indwelling as I have repeated many times. Here it is again. Please read carefully.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.....
Biblical Sermon! Thank you so much for the completely Biblical message concerning the sensual, worldly perversion of music in the congregations that call themselves Christian. They would have you believe that they are spiritual because they can "worship" their god through that lawless music experience. They call it a "spirit". I do agree that it is a spirit, but the question is, what spirit? We realized shortly after allowing "Contemporary Christian Music" into our home, that rebellion rose in the hearts of our kids. Many others I spoke to have experienced the same thing. You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. I see nothing Biblically Christian in the lives of these artists (research them thoroughly) nor in most of the listeners. The over-spiritualism of this generation is nothing more than sensuality and it is of the flesh. You cannot worship God, The Father and Jesus Christ, the Righteous in the flesh. (Look it up, it's in the Bible)
I voted for point 2 Psalms Hymns and Spiritual Songs..Unto the Lord Jesus Something Psalms Only Can not do and thats a fact. Shadows have been done aways..New Covenant which is the old un covered! Jesus Christ The Lord