Great Sermon! That was an intensely interesting sermon, and most needful! If professing Christians were better acquainted with the Scripture they would not be led astray by smooth tongued decievers.
Great Sermon! Thanks for that interesting piece of history. Being a man of God certainly didn't shield him from personal grief. Losing his wife and child reminds of the same grief in the life of another great man, John Patton.
Great Sermon! This sermon was a great blessing to my soul. I was fast asleep in bypath meadow and had (sadly) dropped my roll.
Whither should backsliding children return, but to the Lord their God, from whom they have backslidden, and who alone can heal their backslidings?
Interesting discussion.All make good points worth thinking about, many thanks !
However, Mercy,how can someone be an 'overcomer'if they have not themselves done so? I have never met any Christian who was miraculously delivered from all sin and struggles. I was hoping for this myself after conversion and disappointed when it did not happen! I felt an inferior Christian until I noticed I was not alone. Another good source is "how to live the Christian life"by Hannah Whitall-Smith written in Victorian times.It proves that converted Christians in those days also struggled with the same issues.
Sorry enough already if you felt offended, but I have seen it all before. GG and friends are antagonised..they react (no excuse on their part) as everyone knows they will, and you all come out in droves to support one another and bash them. That is how I see it anyway and the reason I left here before. The reactions are not Christian witness, and often GG is called horrible names by some. Why not give praise where it is due? Why should the Pope never say anything right because he is pope and RC? Just admit he can say right things. No-one is always right or always wrong. I understand how frustrating it must be when only the RCC denounces secularism homosexuality and abortion when the evangelicals are mostly silent. I know the doctrinal errors in the RCC as I was raised one, but I do not agree with the attitude on here often which is not a debate but yes a bashing and it only antagonises the catholics more, and this way they will never change I assure you
Agreed CMT,manypeople work for the luxuries only , but not all as I know them.I am a stay at home mother myself , and I would rather have virtually nothing than give the care of my precious kids into the hands of strangers,as someone has to care for them if we work but thats me.But My point is,in as far as "raising " kids is concerned, in times past even if the Mother in a well-off class, was at home, at least some of the time,she rarely bothered about the children as she hardly saw them let alone raise them! Children were seen and not heard. (maybe we molly-coddle our kids too much?) Hockey mum? Heaven forbid the mothers of the past did anything suchlike with their children and the working class mother surely did not have time for hockey ! There were too many children and too much work to be done in and outside the house (kitchen gardens were the norm but take a lot of work) On the whole though the kids were around the mother usually at least, helping mostly and mothers' word was law Today, we have the luxury of having fewer kids and more money but its never enough. Thats my point about luxury ..we cant even see it and want more!
For those of you who are unaware during Victorian period and before and after,it was very normal for a well-off say ,"upper to lower-middle class" mother, to leave the upbringing of the children to nannies and teachers until they were of the age when they were shipped off to boarding school. This did not apply to the "lower classes" at the time obviously but neither did they spend much time with their children as they needed to work to survive.!
The stay-at-home mother is a modern luxury for many.
This is a difficult one. On the one hand, we took back the world as it were from Hitler. Should we have done? or should we have turned the other cheek, waiting for the world to pass away as foretold in Scripture? I do not know the answer to it all either but believe we were right to defend ourselves from evil at the time. Many back then believed judgement day was upon them !
As a woman, I have in the past when asking perfectly legit questions about the Bible and women, been called a "feminist" and waived off as some sort of ignoramus .I am not a feminist Unless supporting my husband in all he undertakes and staying at home to care for the kids creatively through lack of cash at the time,instead of working qualifies me for one? Often Christian women are beaten around the head with sermons on Jezebel Yes there was a jezebel in scripture, a evil scheming woman with a nasty end,but as far as I know, only ONE !How many weak ineffectual men are portrayed in scripture? How many evil Kings etc??
How many Jezebels examples are there in the NT by the way? Now I am not denigrating men here,as men are often all too happy to do other way round,as I believe in respect and Biblical equality. I am just pointing out that neither men nor women were and are perfect and that Jesus who had a habit of turning the whole Jewish tradition upon its head, had a very different attitude to women.I always take his words and actions the most seriously as He is my Messiah. Sorry if this is offensive to men, ask Jesus about it will you?
Thanks for the links about the lineage of Mary DC, I will look into them.
A point here is, original sin comes into question really...we are supposed according to Paul, ( not Jesus however, at least I dont recall him mentioning original sin, correct me otherwise) have indeed inherited a sinful nature.
However, it is possible Mary never sinned but of course this is what RCC doctrine teaches...all supposition.
I believe and agree also that God was perfectly able to protect the Davidic lineage for this specific purpose. The Messiah would be born from the "seed of David" Human seed therefore.