John UK wrote: So let me ask you: "Is it possible for a modern version to be the inerrant and inspired word of God?"
I haven't read any posts for quite some time, but had to interject my opinion after perusing this particular thread and viewing your input.
It seems that you have softened your position on the Authorized Version, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. Can we no longer say, "WE HAVE THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD"? Is the AV simply another translation, like any other - only BETTER. Then it is subject to the criticism of men; those scholars most able to determine intellectually (not spiritually) what is and what isn't accurate; what is true. and what is not: and what is or isn't faithful to those reliable or unreliable Greek and Hebrew extant texts. GOD'S WORD IS NOT subject to the determination of any man. It is a snare to say that we just have a version, THE BEST... Either it is the Word of God or it is not. I agree that those who are REALLY KJV-Onliests are extremists (if that is what you are saying), but those who use the AV only, because of biblical conviction are not and cannot be classified as KJV-Onliests as "bible student" seems to suggest.
John Yurich USA wrote: Do you actually want the United States of America to fall under the rule of another country and be no more? That is exactly what will happen if Obama re elected president instead of Romney being elected president. What kind of an idiot is not concerned about abortion and homosexuality running rampant in the United States because of Obama and the Democrat politicians? Are you so illogical that you don't want to see that if Obama is re elected instead of Romney being elected that abortion and homosexuality running rampant in the United States will continue and then the full judgment of God will surely come upon the United States? Jim Lo you actually believe that an Independent presidential candidate stands a chance of winning the presidency?
All of those things which you mention are the sinful fruits of our having forsaken the living and just God as a nation. Your vote is just another indication that you are unwilling to repent, but you still put your trust in a sinful "MAN."
How can you express your approval by ballot to that which God opposes?
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes." Ps 118:9
"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." Ps 146:3
I would like to humbly remind you all that everything that a believer does must be done with God, and the glory of God, in mind. If he is an American, he is a Christian first, and his nationality is and must always remain subbordinate to that first spiritual principle (kingdom). His chief duty is to the Lord Jesus Christ, and any other conduct must not breach that subjection.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth Eph 5:10 â€“ Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord â€“. Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Those who say they are choosing the lesser of two evils in the way they vote have condemned themselves in acknowledging both are evil - and yet they still choose one of the two, clearly being aware that both are evil. It is NEVER right to do wrong.
Better for America to be cast into Hell than for any professing Christian to choose evil simply because one thing seems less evil than the other. Where, pray tell, is this principle of choosing "the lesser of two evils" found in the Scripture? Oh it certainly is, but it is the side of darkness that makes use of it...
God help us!
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chron 7:14
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Hmmm! By faith? Then no faith, no Jesus Christ dwelling in the heart.
Who determines what is good and what is evil? GOD! And He has said it is evil (sinful). So both the indifference of some and opposition of others are against God.
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 1:7
A much needed Sermon! Very good observations Pastor Trice. It is so easy to get caught up into secretly doing things for self rather than for others. Because of our self conceit we tend to fail to see that tendency in ourselves, while we suppose we see it clearly in others. Even our best and most noble efforts are contaminated with selfishness. I would suggest that those who listen to this sermon take a close look at their own intentions. I don't know how anyone can listen to this sermon without saying, "Lord, is it I?" Well done Pastor Trice!
Marquardt countered... "children need a two-parent home."
"a two parent home"?
Shall we begin by redefining words that have had thousands of years of common meaning. How ludicrous! A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Most people think that little is affected by this per-version, but it corrupts everything it touches.
Just how many words have been changed to accommodate its acceptance?
"Gay," "marriage," "same-sex," etc.
How many words have been dropped from our vocabulary so as not to offend the politically correct sensitive folks?
Oh, I forgot, I can't use those words here on Sermon Audio. I don't mean to blame SA, I know that they censor them so they are not abused, or rather, so they are not used to abuse, but others don't have that valid reason...
When you change the meaning of words you change people's understanding of things. But God is not politically correct - HE IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS and He calls it "AN ABOMINATION!"
Random House Webster's Dictionary:
1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying with abomination.
3. a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination.
"The latest version of the popular NIV Bible translation has had its verses on homosexuality reworded, making them clearer in denouncing the practice, a theologian who helped with the translation says.
These clarifications include the verse in 1 Corinthians 6:9, where the 1984 NIV version uses the phrase â€śhomosexual offenders,â€ť while the 2011 translation changes the phrase to "men who have sex with men.""
A paraphrase is still a paraphrase, and my question is this, will a paraphrase bring conviction to those who commit that sinful act and also convince others who tolerate that act that it is indeed sinful in God's eyes? I doubt it!
Romans 3:20 says, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
The fact is, most people no longer believe God's law and modern translations have helped to undermine the credibility of both God's word and His law. People simply do not take God's word seriously - after all, "WHERE'S GOD's WORD?" The fear of God is gone because the wrath of God is masked by confusion and indifference. And all of that, in spite of what words you use. No matter how strong and severe the words, if they be not from God - whose going to listen and change?
Are you assured 100% from the Bible alone that all of your sins have been forgiven and that you have eternal life right now? If you do, could you please list the verses from the Bible with your explanations as to how they pertain to your complete forgiveness of all your sins and how you have eternal life now?
A Roman Catholic cannot have any assurance of salvation - even Pope John Paul wasn't assured of heaven when he died. He didn't go to heaven when he died, according to Roman Catholic teaching, and if he didn't go there first when he died, he'll never go there, according to sound biblical protestant teaching.
Our church rents a church building from another church which meets in the same facility, but in the morning - we meet in the afternoon. A couple of weeks ago we entered the sanctuary of the church and a few feet behind the pulpit was a stack of silver gift wrapped boxes. These boxes were huge. They were arranged in pyramid style; gradually getting smaller at the top - the bottom box was probably three feet high by three square feet. There is a big wooden cross on the wall behind the pulpit (which I also think is wrong) and these boxes nearly hid it. There was also a small nativity scene near the gift boxes. After talking with a couple of men in the church we decided to ask if we could have those objects removed while we worshipped. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! One brother later decided he would go ahead so as to not disturb the unity of the fellowship, but another brother and I and our families haven't been to church the last few weeks. In defence of the pastor who put those gifts there, apparently he wanted to use them for a sermon illustration - FOR THE WHOLE MONTH OF DECEMBER!
While a church is certainly not the building, we do corporately worship Him there and to have those things in the sanctuary is TO ME and others highly dishonorable to God and even heretical.