Again we have the ad hominem attack on Calvin rather than a conversation on the biblical veracity of the theological doctrine. WE ALL fall short of the kingdom of God, therefore should none speak of the truth in them? David had a man murdered to cover up his adultery, therefore should we ignore God's use of him in the Psalms?
Michael, What "part" besides being the recipient does man play in redeeming his own soul? How is it blasphemous to say it is ALL of GRACE and NOT of ourselves, lest any man should boast? Romans 3 highlights the desire of man, rather lack of desire, toward God. Plus, how do you understand Jesus' dialogue with Nicodemus? Jesus states we must be BORN again. What part does man have in his own birth?
Dolores, Predestination is rather hard for people to accept because of the Chooser. Our nature is inclined to want to "take the mantle" of everything, to include salvation. I think of our Lord's discussion with Nicodemus and his proclaiming we must be born again. Nicodemus' response is our response. We cannot see our salvation being wholly a work of God. Hence why Jesus said born again. A physical child is a gift, life is a gift, salvation is a gift. Our "choice" will ALWAYS be yes when God gives the gift. God doesn't "offer" life, He gives life. Physical and spiritual life.
Mr. Fischer makes the common mistake of overgeneralizing the doctrines of sovereignty and predestination while setting up manmade assumptions about God in the process. I would ask him which sin is worthy of hell and how does he understands the allusions of the potter and the clay the n scripture? I believe his contention is more against absolute certainty and the rough as well as sharp demeanor of some "Calvinists".
The devil also believes it is not important to go to church, unless of course it is one in hid clutches. Besides, only easy peasy Western "Christians" say that, not all, but I believe it would be a task to find Chinese, Syrian, North Korean, or certain Africans who would agree that church is unimportant. Corporate worship is the body coming together to worship the Head of the church; the Bride to adore her Husband.
I have not seen the movie, will not pay to see it, but really am interested how they explain "why" the Russell Crowe character builds an "ark". Also,I believe in America Christians have a bit of double standard when they bash this movie for inaccuracy but embrace the "son of god" and "passion" movies. With that said, movies are not out of the control of God, He does have a purpose for them.
Thomas the Doubter, Awesome! Have you seen these billboards? My wife said she has seen them. This is just a mere provocation from a hypocritical, devilish religion. Have fun at COSI, though I miss the old location.
Duh, Are you implying the OT is irrelevant to "Christianity" or are you saying Mosaic law is irrelevant? Plus, how do you group the RCC and Presbyterians together? What is the justification or reasoning behind such an assertion?
I live in Columbus; I have not seen these billboards. Wonder what would happen if someone had a billboard stating the truth that Mohamed was the prophet of the devil and twisted the word of the True God to fit his murderous agenda. Course, Christians do not need billboards; we are on the side of Truth; who will NOT be mocked.
Like in another state where they have withheld this perversion, the US Attorney General said the US will recognize the "marriages". Usurping state authority once again. This Attorney General is the most antinomian "upholder of the law" in our country's history. Justice has surely stumbled in the public squares.
John UK, I am able to articulate what that means to Covenant (Presby) believers, but I am not convinced they believe it in those terms. I read scripture and find that I have gained great insight through the WCF and WLC, but I do not hold it equal, by no means, to the scripture. I do believe their teaching on infant baptism as sign, like circumcision, but am aware these to signs are not the point of redemption. Christ elects and saves, therefore making the baptism a seal. The seal cannot precede the salvation. So whether it be an infant or an adult, Christ MUST save for the seal to be applicable. If that is not what you gather from the teaching, maybe I am not understanding or articulating properly. Up for some further discussion.
Quotee, I never mentioned "natural seed" or baptism. I am speaking directly to the covenant of grace that imparts salvation on individuals, pre-incarnation, incarnation, and post. God manifests His grace through covenant, hence why I brought up the passages in Isaiah. The same grace applied to them as it does us. God redeems, we live and hope within that covenant. Paul highlights our being true Jews by the inward regeneration that happened to Abraham and his descendants, according to the promise. The promise came through Isaac (spiritual) not Ishmael (flesh or natural seed). Jesus makes the spiritual connection in John 8:56. Connecting the FAITH of Abraham when he rejoiced in the coming of the Holy One of Israel, the Redeemer (mentioned in Isaiah). If you are asking if I believe children of believing parents are necessarily redeemed through Infant Baptism, I say no. But it certainly doesn't mean God has not elected them.
Quotee, According to the sovereign election of God, those who are truly saved are true seed or true Israel according to the promise given by God to Abraham and his descendants. This doesn't include ALL physical seed (Ishmael for example). In John 8 Jesus was speaking with those who were PHYSICAL descendants of Abraham, but Christ pointed out that their FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the coming of Christ, thereby distinguishing between the seed of promise and the seed of the slave. As for children, there are verses that instruct believing parents to raise their children up in the way they should go; actively and prayfully hoping on the promises of God that God has, in fact, elected their children. It is certain that ALL children are not saved ( Absalom for example) because they have believing parents, but all children elected by GOD are, and will be saved. The electing is God's; faithful rearing and prayfully pursuing God for the salvation of the children are the parents duty.
Quotee, How do you read John 8, specifically verse 56? And Isaiah 56, specifically 3-5. And Isaiah 54 and 55. Does this not point out a Coveney of grace to TRUE Israel and seed of Abraham? Just interested in your understanding.
This should as a reminder, myself included, that we are to help our neighbor and not think our charity begins and ends with donating money. World Vision is Apostate lest the executives repent. This is more diabolical than a nonbeliever trying to legitimize their preferred sin; WV is using the name of our HOLY GOD CHRIST JESUS in vain. May we humbly pray we do not fall likewise. Shameful and sad.