Jim Lincoln, Give it a rest. ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Your not committing this dreadful sin isn't because your NOT Catholic, but by the grace of God. Enough with the churlish posts.
I commend Russell Vought, stand firm on the foundation brother. As for the "outrage" towards Senator Sanders, he represents the consensus of American politicians and a good majority of the population. Jim Lincoln is right on this one.
Frank, The subject matter relates to those who profess to be God's children but are in religious groups with serious theological errors and can they true believers or not. Look at nearly any book in the Old Testament and you will find Israel falling into some form of idolatry or wandering. I used this as a reference for my point.
Frank and Ladybug, I was asking a legitimate question, not nitpicking or trying to wander off. Ladybug DID state she believes God would not have his elect remain in a dangerous organized religion. Hence, my question concerning the Reformers. There was a time, multiple times in fact, that Israel strayed into idolatry and false doctrine, but GOD still had His people in the midst. I am genuinely trying to understand how you reconcile your statements.
Ladybug, Do you believe any of the Reformers were saved prior to the Reformation, or anyone in Europe while under Roman Catholic dominance? There is no doubt the RCC is doctrinally in the wilderness, but to think NO ONE is saved is presumptious. I don't know if any or all of those murdered by ISIS were Christians, but do find it hard to believe that any one on here knows.
John from Atl, You adhere to a Pelagian view of sin, plain and simple. Jesus was NOT formed with the seed of a man, hence the miraculous nature of his birth. How do you miss this in the gospel accounts?
Lie Defector, You stated "Nobody has the faintest clue what biblical reconciliation with God actually is."Does this include yourself or the rest of the professing church excluding yourself? Further, if man had an inkling of good in him, what need of Christ? Man could cultivate that good and follow the law and prophets, meeting God's standard of righteousness. Your hyperbolic accusation of history's greatest heretic is unfounded and rather absurd. Especially when you rank Augustine and Luther as 1 and 2. Who then, Detecor of lies, has been a standard bearer of theological purity? Judging by your view of Luther and Augustine, Pelagius seems the logical choice by reason of you perspective.
John from Atl, One thing that still alludes your understanding is the difference between anti-semitism and anti-Jewish. Hitler NEVER desired Jews to be saved or become Nazis, he wanted them exterminated. Luther did have harsh words towards the Jews RELIGIOUSLY as he did toward Papists. You come across as if there was some sort of other church somewhere that REALLY had it together. Goodness man, David was an adulterer and had his mistresses husband murdered. Peter denied Christ three times with cursed language. Paul stoop by while Stephen was stoned to death (murdered) and was on his way to Damascus to literally split the church up and corral Christians. Yet, Luther is to be condemned for all eternity. Again, why do you minimize grace?
John from Atl, What did Luther espouse that was not Biblical, in his teachings? What teaching was so bad that you question his faith? I find it confounding how flippant you come across, as if challenging someone's faith was a rather small affair, as if it were challenging someone's opinion over sport or something. We must take these matters seriously.
John from Atl, I would, as B. McCausland has respectfully suggested, advise you to read not only the history of Luther, but his own writings to get a better perspective of this brother in Christ. Start with the Babylonian Captivity and the Bondage of the Will by Luther and THEN tell us how Roman Catholic he was in reality. Again, to disparage fellow Christians is neither right or edifying.
John from Atl, Right you are to say sin matters, but ALL sin to include are own. If we took one quote, one action, one moment of indifference from Moses, David, and all the Apostles, we could find numerous Hitler's that would agree or condone it. But grace is sufficient the Lord declares. Luther was imperfect, he conceded that fact numerous times in his life, but the grace and guidance of our Lord Jesus Christ used this unworthy vessel to reform a most wretched Popish church and translate His word into the people's language, advancing the gospel and literacy as the article highlights. Please do not minimize grace.
John from Atl, I am certain we all could find quotes and actions in our own lives which would be just as damning as this quote you present from Luther. If your point is to disparage a brother in Christ, you've succeeded. Satan is a big fan of disparagement, that also should be remembered!
Of course young people accept sodomy, their forebears accepted divorce and have accommodated the world for quite some time now. It isn't the world, it's so called Christians who have removed the sieve from doctrine and allowed impurities into the church. This has been happening since the turn of the century....last century.
Praise God! The church continues to miss the point of these incidents. It comes away with a negative perspective at times that really misses the point. Persecution is to come. The shock that the church should have is that it HAS NOT come. Which should prompt introspection and not external disdain. We need more, not less trials of faith.
There is not a place on earth that doesn't have Christians or willl have them. Man doesn't decide the when and where of Christ's kingdom, none can stay the hand of God. I pray the "vicar" would see through faith and not with his eyes.