Deut 32:34-43 To me belongeth vengeance (cited Rom 12:19, Heb 10:30).... For the LORD shall judge his people (cited Heb 10:30).... I kill, and I make alive.... If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies.... I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh.... Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people (cited Rom 15:10): for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries......
Amos 9:7-12 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword.... In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old (cited Acts 15-15-17).
The citations establish timeline of fulfillment. The sword is God's means to kill outside of Himself. Everyone knows the sword of the spirit is a figure of the word of God.......... what is the two edged sword a figure of?
Come on people..... clear your minds of the doctrines (dung) of men and let God be your teacher (Is 54:13). He is able but your mind must be opened. Do some cross-referencing, expand your knowledge beyond immediate context, stop being lazy, spoon-fed with the opinions of men.
Jonah 2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. 2:8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. 2:10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land."
Matt.12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
JS. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, thatfaith without works is dead?
s c wrote: Derek Penwell, a minister who was among the protesters, said: "Any movement that takes as its organizing principle the fact that people are somehow defective is wrong and it's destructive. And it adds to the kind of abuse that a group of people have faced for too long."
Basicaly, Penwell underlines the concerns pointed out in the discussion.
I think that we need to be more concerned about... Derek Penwell, a minister who was among the protesters, said: "Any movement that takes as its organizing principle the fact that people are somehow defective is wrong and it's destructive. And it adds to the kind of abuse that a group of people have faced for too long." ...never heard of him but he poses as a minister. The problem is not genetic,it is sin. As for alcoholics...the same cure works for them as well...salvation through Christ. We all have liberty NOT to sin...not license to sin. Being free in Christ is being free indeed.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Thank God, America is a Masonic Republic! Too many people tried with their own hands to turn this into a so-called Christian caliphate - - thankfully they failed. Yes of course the expected outcome anyway. Only a physically present Christ can establish a kingdom here on earth.
It appears you'd rather rejoice in iniquity than in rigtheousness, say you'd prefer a godless deprived state than a godly influenced one. This does not add.
By the way, Christ is reigning: God "has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son" Col 1:13 and "he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1Co 15:25
Mike wrote: Under the definition of "pattern" one would be hard pressed to find "disorderly patterns," no?
It is similar to the Pattern in DNA in this Human design, that MANY warn will become disorganized if we mess with it.
The rotten idea of mixing human DNA with mice, that Hoggard etc warn is an abomination is similar to corruption of the word of God by cutting out parts or adding to it. (as the last chapter of the Book warns against.
don't pull the tapestry's thread! -- Patterns of #s can mean something, as you say: and that is where Henry Morris focuses. He warns (in link below)
"...."spiritualizing" interpretations, whether based on numerology or typology or anything else, are not sound hermeneutics. Numbers in the Bible should never be used to prove or even to intimate any point of doctrine. The same caution should be observed in connection with any other structural phenomena in the Bible (types, first mentions, etc.)"
Morris goes on to look at patterns of #s similar to O.T. picture of N.T. truth that the ark, Joseph, Jonah, etc are examined to enlighten us.
most obvious example is the number "seven," & 10, 12, 40, 70, 666 also seem significant. But scepticism is good. Be Berean.
Mike wrote: .. clarity What is ambivalent about it? Many people do struggle with sin, even this one. He did not say all struggle with it, for all do not, and prefer to wallow. He is also correct in that there is no superficial therapy switch.
Jargon used can point to both 'theories' mentioned in previous post, this is the idea of ambivalent. Modern psychology often places sin under disease status. Say, an alcoholic needs â€˜supportâ€™ to get out of the problem as his will is under bondage, Rom 7, but not 'therapy'. If you are a diabetic, or have broken the leg, you need therapy not only support. The alcoholic's body might suffer the consequences of the sin, and mentally he/she might be depressed as a result also, yet his will is not sick, it still functions. Say, when you ask him if he wishes to have a strawberry ice cream or a banana one, he knows what he wills. If you told him his arm need amputated and laughed, his will would be sick.
Most schools of thought consider the individual a 'victim' rather than a culprit, look inside for man-made answers, rather than to outside, Christ. The issue is when Christians borrow jargon which can make statements seem to point both ways.
Yep Capt, servitude to an invisible caliphate-demonic and vile. In the Western world, it is fawnish dhimmitude, in the Middle East-forced violent dhimmitude. Soon we will experience the middle eastern type unless we expell this influence.
Thank God, America is a Masonic Republic! Too many people tried with their own hands to turn this into a so-called Christian caliphate - - thankfully they failed. Yes of course the expected outcome anyway. Only a physically present Christ can establish a kingdom here on earth.
B. McCausland wrote: Without being totally aware, we can fall in ambivalence jargon. "In the case of many people struggling with this particular sin, we do not believe that some kind of superficial answer whereby they can turn a switch from being attracted to persons of the same sex to being attracted to persons of the opposite sex," Mohler said
Probing for clarity, B. What is ambivalent about it? Many people do struggle with sin, even this one. He did not say all struggle with it, for all do not, and prefer to wallow. He is also correct in that there is no superficial therapy switch.
Hoggy Fan wrote: Dr. Morris: It is important to note that there are infinitely more random, disorderly patterns possible with a given number of components than there are orderly patterns. Randomness is statistically probable; order is statistically improbable. When one deals often with data of any kind on a statistical basis, the tendency is to develop an instinctive feeling as to what is and what is not strictly accidental'" & proceeds to look at Bible # patterns
There seems to be more people than Bullinger and Putin amused with an issue that does not pertain to Scripture, yet making it pass as it were. This is sad.
Mike: perhaps this is a wrong term, instead of 'pattern' it should read 'outcome'
Hoggy Fan wrote: Dr. Morris: --- So far as known, such an analysis has never been done. We must, therefore, rely on our own judgment or instinct. It is important to note that there are infinitely more random, disorderly patterns possible with a given number of components than there are orderly patterns. Randomness is statistically probable; order is statistically improbable. ---
Slight off-track Under the definition of "pattern" one would be hard pressed to find "disorderly patterns," no?
Pattern: Consistent and recurring characteristic or trait that helps in the identification of a phenomenon or problem, and serves as an indicator or model for predicting its future behavior.