Dopey... You do realize they were still on this earth? It just shows that God protected His chosen people, all of which may not have been believers, just like He made promises to Israel, all of whom are not believers.
Carter is obviously no Christian but just as obviously rejects the Word and the laws of God. Christ stated that HE did not come to destroy the Bible but indeed fulfil it and that man is not to change one jot or tittle of the Word.
God states that homosexuality is an abomination and in Romans chapter one that it is both unnatural and subject to the wrath of God.
Liberals like Carter clearly are blind and ignorant of the Word of God. By their support for sodomy they send people to hellfire and confound the people and the children. May God deal with these servants of Satan and remove their deception and duplicity from society.
1truth1way1life wrote: I yet to read in the Bible where God has removed anyone or his chosen people from anything that come up against them ie the great tribulation. He has made a way for us to go through it and that is Jesus the Christ. So I ask this where is your focus
I take it you have never read the Old Testament which shows the ones that have read the Old Testament that God removed 8 people from a flood that would have destroyed them, like it did the people left behind, had they not been removed.
The flood story besides being a type of one thing is also a type of the Rapture.
I yet to read in the Bible where God has removed anyone or his chosen people from anything that come up against them ie the great tribulation. He has made a way for us to go through it and that is Jesus the Christ. So I ask this where is your focus
Come on guys, grow up a bit. Football is not more a religion than eating or watching any sort of television. Idol worship is what you make of it. Football, by itself, is harmless entertainment to the viewer, no different from any sport. Atheism is a religion, as it takes a significant amount of faith to believe their stances on things.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
I live in an apartment building. I gave to an unsaved fellow in the apartment immediately to the left of mine a computer, speakers to go with it, and a new 24 inch moniter for it. I also installed on the computer some programs that would allow him to travel safely on the internet: web browser, firewall, antivirus, etc.
I believe it was several months later when he banged on my door and told me he had no sound coming through the speakers and asked if I could fix that problem for him. After a couple of attempts, I was able to do that. To fix the problem I had to put according to my memory one more program on his computer. I also asked him, in effect, if he would like a couple of religious progams on his computer. Two religious programs ended up on his computer.
The fact I gave him a new 24 inch monitor came up; he was surprised when he found out and asked why I did that. I explained I had found out I needed/wanted a better monitor for my new computer thus the one I gave him was inferior to mine. (See! I chose the best monitor for myself and am not really as wonderful as is commonly believed at SA )
John UK wrote: Imagine that, hundreds of ebola germs flying around Texas looking for a suitable home.
John my dear brother I read recently that there are expected to be at least a million cases of ebola by this January. If that turns out to be true I believe there will be a lot of ebola germs flying around a lot of American, Canadian, states and provinces as well as countries of the world looking for a suitable home besides Texas and countries of Africa.
Lurker wrote: Looking for the relevance of Hosea to the discussion? Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, **Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?** As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. **Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.** (Quoted from Hosea) But it doesn't matter. If you want to ignore God's word and continue passing judgment on those who remarry after a biblically lawful divorce, by all means do so. But I doubt you'll find an audience here. You're steadfast rejection of scripture which doesn't fit your presuppositions has been perfectly demonstrated.
The relevance is that God doesn't give up on Israel, just like Hosea didn't give up on his wife. The promises are to Israel and you were just grafted in, God has not forsaken her!
Ephesians 2:12-15 KJV (12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.. [i.e. not Jew not Gentile, but one in Christ Jesus.]
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV (4) There is **one body**, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
IMHO from these verses, God's people are one people, i.e. Israel of God, i.e. the remnant known as God's elect, i.e. the children of promise, all chosen before the foundation of the world.
So I will press on with a search for the correct answer, if there is such a thing as one correct answer, and not an answer that involves several correct answers that depend on particular situations involved.
Perhaps, a little more information about my potential law suit will help at this point. The target of my lawsuit, should it come, would be a large organization that is not a Christian organization. The organization has many human heads heading up various departments.
There are undoubtedly many unsaved people in the organization and probably some saved people.
But if I sue it would not be an individual but rather the organization itself.
I invite anyone who wants to help find a solution to post a comment but with the following caveat: This thread has been up to this point exceptionally cordial compared to other threads I have seen and I believe God wants it to stay that way. So, strive to walk in the Spirit when posting a comment.
Anyone, coming to this thread for the first time could stand to see some of the complexities involved in this thread. Thus, I recommend reading every single comment in this thread starting with the first one time wise and going on to the most recent one time wise.
I am still seriously thinking about suing an entity in the world's courts but by no means have actually decided to do that so I will at this point return to my search for help in making up my mind.
By way of brief review of this thread, in regard to my concern just outlined: Frank has declared he believes a believer should never sue another believer and that he isn't sure about a believer vs a non-believer situation. Frank's position is basically my postion as I have declared a believer should never sue a believer in the world's courts. And while I am seriously thinking about suing an enity I am not certain I should do that, and my uncertainty indicates the entity involved is non-believing in Jesus Christ.
Clarke Kent Kryptonite and Shane (both of whom are not me Christopher000 ) by way of questions have contributed significantly to this thread.
Shane has introduced some very penetrating questions that have helped me in my search for the correct solution to my, in effect, dilemma.
I perceived Shane bridged love and mercy in one question. After I thought about that bridging I then thought perhaps the correct solution lies in bridging love, mercy, and judgement but I admit I am not certain that is the solution...
The article that SA used, is quite good. It fairly presents what Jimmy Carter believes in, but certainly doesn't endorse it. For example, " some biblical scholars note that it isnâ€™t a matter of being good, but addressing sin; and that any sin, whether it is regarded as politically correct or culturally accepted, is always dealt with and condemned by God." It isn't the first time that I've seen a person's job or the position of family members finally effect the original beliefs of that person. As in Jimmy Carter's case, it is always for the worse.
I really had a hard time getting the URL for the article on a tablet, for you have mobile devices perhaps putting the URL here will make it easier for you to get it?
Jimmy Carter is a straight loser for the record. Your sexual "orientation" is where these leftists lose. You can't change your ethnic or racial orientation. The statements the this individual makes gives me reason to believe that he was never saved to begin with. If God doesn't judge people, why did Jesus die? I
Steve R, You do not leave your post as a gospel witness when you serve in the political process of the earthly nation where God has placed you. Daniel found a way to do both; so did Shadrach, Meshach and Aben-nego. The apostle Paul didn't leave his gospel duties when he refused simply to 'cooperate passively' with the government officials who had beaten him openly as an uncondemned Roman and thrown him into prison without trial contrary to Roman law. No; he insisted on justice. He held government officials accountable for their actions contrary to the rule of law and protested them, insisting they come and get him out of there. He also used his Roman citizenship to appeal to Caesar in his own defense-- even though it meant months of imprisonment and a long journey to Rome in chains. He did not say, "I'm a gospel preacher and I just won't make any waves with the political authorities." No; he held them to account for their actions when these were contrary to law and promoted the cause of righteous ruling by government officials.
Rodney K. wrote: Great points, bro. US!! Certainly we must be graceful in regards to eschatological differences. Personally, I consider myself to be "pan-trib" - God will win and it will all pan out in the end.
Rodney K. , I must confess I found your remark very funny as I found myself laughing at it. Pan-trib, it will all pan out in the end.
I will now add pan-trib to my repertoire which already includes pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib and no-trib.
I perceive pan-trib can be a very effective way to cool off an over heated group by introducing some levity into a discussion when needed.