As Passover has become The Lord's Supper (or Communion), so circumcision which brought a child into the covanent established with Abrahama, now baptism brings one into covanent with Christ. Neither save(d) you, only brought you under the covanent. Many believe child baptism is used to save a child - no indeed it does not; that is a Catholic lie from the Pit. On the contrary, again, it merely brings a child under the covanental relationship their family is in. Circumscision didn't save the child, but identified them as a tribal member of the Isrealites and God's chosen people. The shadow, and now the reality.
Kev wrote: I only remember the apostles baptizing people when they believed then confessed their faith then were baptized in the bible. I don't think they really had the issue of being baptized as an infant then being born again and wanting to declare their new life in Christ. What then is the to be said about the child who was baptized but never came to Christ is he still in the covenant?
Reformed Doctrine teaches that one can be in Covenant and not saved, and we believe that is the testimony of Scripture. The Reformers and Church Fathers agree with us, the wicked don't
SteveR wrote: I will let the Blessed Huldrych Zwingli answer this " Once in the covenant, a man remains there. The New Testament knows only one baptism [Ephesians 4:4-6]. Neither Christ nor the holy Apostles ever" repeated it -- or taught that it needed to be repeated"
I only remember the apostles baptizing people when they believed then confessed their faith then were baptized in the bible. I don't think they really had the issue of being baptized as an infant then being born again and wanting to declare their new life in Christ. What then is the to be said about the child who was baptized but never came to Christ is he still in the covenant?
Kev wrote: So if a child was baptized was never really born again then later is a born again Christian he shouldn't be baptized as a public confession of faith as a picture of his new life in Christ?
I will let the Blessed Huldrych Zwingli answer this
" Once in the covenant, a man remains there. The New Testament knows only one baptism [Ephesians 4:4-6]. Neither Christ nor the holy Apostles ever" repeated it -- or taught that it needed to be repeated"
Kev wrote: So SteveR are you a Presbyterian I am rather new here so I'm curious? Sounds like you believe in paedobaptism right? Do you believe in believers baptism as well? Saw all the confessions and creeds you listed so I figure you were.
Sound Reformed doctrine glorifies in Believers Baptism, but not in rebaptism. In Reformed history, rebaptism was held in such contempt it more than once carried severe secular penalty
we have a generation of kids that cannot even step into restaurants or have sleep overs because one touch of those proteins and they could stop breathing, have to carry "pens" with them. they will have to bring on the draft for their neocon wores, autism affects boys more than girls! there are fewer and fewer with the physical capapbilities of a generation before. while Russia takes their boys out to learn the wild and bans gms to be the clean market, bans sodomy, we open up the military mens showers to sodomites and trans!? what a match up!
Andrea,Athens Greece wrote: actually they are defending their own interests(money money money)while American mothers and wives cry back home.
I know, he buys the neocon line, and its very sad. here they tried to persuade some to think one of the attacks was done by Iranian. (this won't be corrected because it fits into their agendas). And they will not stop. now congress is pushing women's draft and everywhere you go its military propaganda pictures of women in combat clothes. they don't know what they are doing but provoking their own destruction. it is very VERY sad! and it gets down to what is taught and not taught in the pulpits!
Russia is being surrounded by nato and turkey is nato! they are thinking of executing 13000 prisoners there in turkey, Erdogan had been announcing himself as the great majdi, putting himself next to pictures to commemorate the sacking of Europe hunderds of yrs ago. the isis matching vehicles came through his borders over and over again, it was Russia that stopped them!! with egg on our faces they continued to support the jihadists who everytime accidentally armed the "worse jihadists".
and there you are right there in Greece, right next to all this action, you feel the effects of our madness. my apologie