Christian Obedience wrote: God commands ~ 1Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. No Excuses!!
We have no king. Be that as it may, I hope you read v14 again. It's the verse in this context that lays out precisely what authority the king, and his governors have from God. Contrariwise, they have no authority from God that calls for punishment of them that do well, and praise for evildoers.
Hosea 8:4 "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off."
Good to see you posting. I understand the dillema you are presenting with taking oaths. My thoughts regarding the presidential oath and other executive level oaths was not meant to extend into other areas of society; like marriage, etc. But, my guess is taking a marriage vow is okay according to God's laws.
What I am saying is this: All executive level politicians must take an oath to disobey the Lord. I don't see how anyone can argue that. Now if they can justify that somehow, then that is on their consciences, but they have to spin what they are actually doing. I think you are saying there is room for them to do this and not really mean what the oath is saying? They must swear to defend and support laws that are contrary to God's laws and they will say, "so help me God". The only argument they can make is the greater good concept which I am against. Or perhaps some inner thought to change laws.
There are "no strong" executive level Christian politicians IMO,according to my below thoughts.
Can anyone, and I mean anyone imagine someone "successfully" running for office and telling the voters that abortion is murder, homosexuality is an abomination, greed is idolatry and feminism in all its forms are evil and still be elected.
tb wrote: This TULIP's got no petals. I'm a zero-out-of-five point Calvinist. And I have nothing and I can do nothing apart from Jesus. PTL, He is good and His mercy endures forever.
tb is a really nasty disease.
You believe that 1. You are sinless? 2. God elects you because you are sinless? 3. Atonement is unlimited so everybody gets saved? 4. Grace is irrelevant because you resist it anyway? 5. You do not need any help from God?
I'm just going to throw this out there... because Frank's comments about governmental office oaths have caused me some thought. I do think that their are some (not many) strong christians in government positions. I think that the "checks and balances" nature of our heirarchy allows for one with a christian conscience to have some freedom to oppose something that is in disagreement to his christian conscience. As for the 'taking of the oath"... I don't know. When you get married, aren't you really entering into an oath with another person? Or when you sign a contract to buy a house or perform a job, isn't that (in effect) an oath... just less public than our national offices? Didn't the spies swear to protect Rahab? What about the Genesis account of Abraham "grabbing the thigh"? I'm not trying to be disagreeable, please don't take it as such. I'm just trying to think through this. I'm wondering if the command meant something a bit deeper: maybe that the content of your character is such that your yes really means yes and vice versa to the extent that you really don't need a legal document to prove your trustworthiness??? ...Just a few humble thoughts and questions that have crossed my mind on this topic...
The young girls are just trying to be relevant in ways they are not called to be. The below is simply a paragraph I found on the internet. Another article written a few years ago said girls were 3 times more likely to go into witchcraft than the boys. But, I did not read the article, so Iâ€™m not sure what the real issue is.
â€śLack of sexist beliefs and practices: A common principle in many Wiccan traditions is the equality between the sexes. Both men and women are viewed as having their female and male side. Each person has the task of balancing the two. Within Wicca, the female principle is considered as powerful and sometimes even more important than the male.â€ť
Jim Lincoln wrote: Exercise, Jessica, it helps with a multitude of problems including a diet that consists mainly of fast foods -- though of course talk to your doctor about it.
Jim, you are truly a 'Job's friend' to me... Your thoughtless comment giving me advice brought me much hurt and anguish. I was too devastated to even respond until now.
I am so crippled that I am a shut-in most of the time, not able to dress myself, wash my own hair, and am not able to exercise as I have severely twisted and disfigured arms, legs, hands, feet, fingers, and toes... I can hardly feed myself, and am in so much pain that it feels like I am being tortured, and you have the audacity to tell me to exercise, and not only that you recommend a diet of fast-food to an already unhealthy person who is so poor they cannot even afford to eat at restaurants!
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
parbuckle wrote: Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" In other words God created the world by word. We poor dumb mortals have no idea how that works and God has left us in that frame of mind. But faith is more than a human conviction and much much more than a human faculty. So we are provided by God with faith which transcends human abilities and provides more than just knowledge but also a strength within to enable us to persevere in life and know the truth contained in Scripture. Man without faith speculates under the control of sin and Satan and comes up with the idea that a big bang in a vacuum started the whole process and for some obscure reason the goo morphed itself into a basic form of life - then fish - then legs and so on to evolve into something as complex as our neurological system (etc) And without faith man stupidly believes this baloney!!! No wonder God gave man a sense of humour.
Agree! And then the goo decided to grow organs and when those organs were all fully developed, they said wait a minute we can't reproduce, so goo started over and created a female that was able to have children.So silly
Z Pike I kind of like your post about those who idolize government (different story for any idolizing Calvin, the TULIP of Dordt, the WCF)
As to the potentially volatile subject of "free will" on one hand some people make it out like man has no will/choice whatsoever (a heresy) while on the other some forget God is completely sovereign in salvation (getting into a different heresy for those who deny He is) God Himself choosing those He will do His own supernatural work (using means) to save, He Himself choosing both the when and the how of it
Some even woefully denying their part (which God has for them to do, walk in and live out) in prayer, intercession, witness, teaching, preaching, serving, being a friend to sinners, in the lives of the lost that God's will would be done in them
Imho things uneregenerate Calvinists and others don't get And likewise things in which I have so much learning and growing to do, still trusting Jesus our Lord is more than worth it, for us to be faithful and pleasing to Him (not men pleasers)
Z. Pike wrote: These Michael, are deluded idolaters who worship the world and its sinful insidious ways.
Frank wrote: just a few divisive points. ............... And then there are the differences in professed Christianity. Old earth/young earth, etc.
Which leaves us with faith, Frank. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear"
In other words God created the world by word.
We poor dumb mortals have no idea how that works and God has left us in that frame of mind. But faith is more than a human conviction and much much more than a human faculty. So we are provided by God with faith which transcends human abilities and provides more than just knowledge but also a strength within to enable us to persevere in life and know the truth contained in Scripture. Man without faith speculates under the control of sin and Satan and comes up with the idea that a big bang in a vacuum started the whole process and for some obscure reason the goo morphed itself into a basic form of life - then fish - then legs and so on to evolve into something as complex as our neurological system (etc) And without faith man stupidly believes this baloney!!! No wonder God gave man a sense of humour.
John UK wrote: Well Jim, that's a good little bit of nonsense you've come out with. Besides which, your issue isn't so much with the English, as with the underlying greek text, of which your favourite is the Westcott and Hort and subsequent texts used in most of the modern versions.
Drs. Ankerberg & Weldon wrote: In fact, the NKJV followed the Greek text of the Textus Receptus throughout the New Testament and "anywhere the NKJV appears to differ from the Greek text used by the KJV translators, it is because it has corrected the KJV departures from the Textus Receptus. Consequently, the NKJV adheres more closely to the Textus Receptus than does its predecessor the KJV".
Michael Hranek wrote: there are those indeed who idolize and worhip the government (state) to their own hurt and that of others
These Michael, are deluded idolaters who worship the world and its sinful insidious ways. They are reprobates whom God has justly sent on the path to hell and damnation. False witnesses and false churches are a part of this fallen world institution and their contribution to the blindness of the worldly is to diminish and impoverish the Word of God. Thus do they deceive the gullible and play into the hands of Satan and his servants. Their deceit is to demote God and promote the sinner to a level of "election and salvation by self" ideology. In the sin of vanity and arrogance they lead sinners to believe they are not all that sinful. Their most important deceit is to delude others into thinking they have free will. This brings gullible people to even believe they are Christians who can coerce God to save them.
This is the reason why many blind and deceived people believe that Obama is a Christian. The true Christian can see he is plainly not. But the worldly wise think that he represents Christianity. To them all religion is just a matter of self conviction by human faith.
Yes, the RCC church believes in a form of theistic evolution. They will say, it is okay to teach evolution, but just don't leave God out of it. Theistic evolution is even more heretical than regular evolution because it analogizes away most of the Genesis account and attempts to merge science with scripture. Where they don't agree, science always wins out.
According to our constitution, there is no religious or moral litmus tests. Since that is true, can a Mormon or a Muslim demand their view on creationism is taught alongside Christian creationism? How about a Hindu and I'm sure there are many more. This is not meant to be my opinion, but just a question.
Evolution is such a silly concept that I have always thought that if satan could convince mankind that evolution was true, then he could convince them of literally anything. With that said, I would probably lean towards saying evolution is a religious belief and I would have it banned from all public schools. But, I am truly confused in my mind about how to solve the problem of how and what to teach children regarding creationism. What secular person is able to do this.
And then there are the differences in professed Christianity. Old earth/young earth, etc.
The WND article was interesting. There are much more serious cases of antisemitism on college campuses, q.v., Anti-Semitism on campus, from which,
Daniel Mael wrote: ...Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who is in the tenth year of his four-year term, addressed a crowd at Cooper Union in New York City.â€śI have held in my own hand and seen the seeds of peace,â€ť he explained. â€śThe seeds of peace are the young Palestinians, Israelis and others all over the world who form peace groups on college campuses, like J Street and Students for Justice in Palestine, those are the seeds of peace.â€ť Abbasâ€™ remarks about campus organizations are notable because they are concurrent with his constant, deliberate encouragement of a Palestinian narrative that seeks to demonize and destroy Israel rather than unite and build a future Palestine.
John Yurich USA wrote: Darrow stated during the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925 when Creationism was only being taught in public schools that it is the height of ignorance to only teach one theory of origins. Now the ignorance is on the other foot when only the Theory of Evolution is being taught in public schools.
May I point out that evolution probably the only thing that is taught in parochial schools? Evolution and the Pope One of many reasons to keep children out of parochial schools
Ya, even Officer Elmer has some faults. Just yesterday I was asked if my children have had any "immunizations" and I said no and left it at that. I should have clarified that they have not had any vaccinations which is not the same as "immunizations", and then explained to the ignorant person that they are not the same. So by not saying anything I silently admitted that my children have not been given any shots to "protect them from disease" thus making me a "bad father" in her view.
Forgive me. Pray for Elmer to be truthful next time and to help the lost.
Michael Hranek wrote: able Please do not be unkind to O Elmer despite his faults Because honesty demands we face the reality that there are those indeed who idolize and worhip the government (state) to their own hurt and that of others
Biggles Throgmorton wrote: "There's nobody who can run a country. They all lie to us," said Victor Loach, a fishmonger selling his wares in the cobbled central square of Atherstone" In the last few decades Westminster has demonstrated that it couldn't run a bus queue - never mind a nation. # Conservatives do not understand what the term conservative really means. # Socialists are communists in disguise and you cannot trust them. (Stalinesque) # Liberal Democrats are so morally defective that they don't know what planet they are on. # Scottish Nationalists are not fighting for independence they are trying to move Scotland to Brussels (EU).
You never mentioned the Monster Raving Loony Party.
F Joibrem wrote: Students acting in this anti-Semitic way bodes badly for the future of American society. This may be seen only as an incidental event but the fact that it is raised at this age of youth in the group means that the seed is planted and has a future. No smoke without fire.
F Joibrem Imho it might be time to prayerfully humbly, in the Fear of God, reread the Hiding Place, and go before the Lord in prayer for what (evil) is coming upon the this country