SteveR wrote:
Agree with what you sense Lisa, its here
Its important to notice how they handle Scripture. Do they handle it as a Love Letter sent to them, or a battle manual & uniform they stole off a wounded soldier.

Nebraska which is hardly a liberal state, politically speaking or even morally speaking has a fairly high percentage of Catholics in this this state, their Senators in the state Unicameral and the liberal ones, may have had enough votes to overturn capital punishment (q.v., Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government that points out this is another Biblical issue.) They dumped this bill. One reason the Senators did this is the Nebr. Governor whose a conservative Republican but not Catholic would have vetoed it, and another reason carrying out the death penalty is winked at in this state again from the evil influence of the Romish Church. "Rome when in minority is as gentle as a lamb, when in equality is as clever as a fox, and when in the majority is as fierce as a tiger."

Lisa wrote:
Romans 12 vs 14 bless them that persecute you: bless and curse not ( in fact this whole chapter is informative).

Romans 12:19 KJV
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

This is the coming day of wrath, when God shall blast his enemies, and repay them for all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. Cast into hellfire, where is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Principles from scripture for giving indicate it is to be voluntary, regular, proportional, and bountiful. This grace giving is in recognition of all material and spiritual needs having been first given by God.

Lisa wrote:
The only person I know who used the book of Enoch without being convicted of god about it turned out to be a witch.

Get your brain in gear, Lisa. Please.

You asked about the non-canonical book of Enoch, and I quoted a verse from him which the apostles accepted was a prophecy of Enoch given by God. Now you can argue till your face goes blue, but the text in Jude IS canonical, and he quoted directly from the Book of Enoch.

As for the rest of the Enoch ms. I have no idea about that because I have not read it. The fact that it was not accepted within the canon is good enough for me, and I would never promote it as scripture nor authoritative. Except for the prophecy which Jude quoted, of course!

BTW, why does Enoch get a capital E and God gets a small g?

Mike wrote:
We had a former homosexual speak at our church awhile back. Powerful testimony. I wouldn't call myself a "gay" basher. But I don't think of saying "no more" to the direction we are going in having demands put forth on us via marriage redefinition, pride in the corruption put on public display, etc., as bashing at all. When murderers and thieves and rapists "come out," they too should have the light of truth applied. If this is bashing, so be it. Selective application doesn't fit. In the "gay" scenario, you have to ask, who are the aggressors doing what promoting, and who is responding? Then ask, why is the response called bashing?

If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are attacking at that moment, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all battlefields besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point.

The people who look for science to "prove" the Bible are quite simply not saved or regenerate, nor do they have faith; - Even if they do attend a church.

1) Abomination which defiles the land.
2) A nation guilty of murder.
3) Nationwide idolatry.

Then the national churches CofE and CofS have conceded to sin and corruption and ditched the Bible to keep the sin. Called Liberalism!

This nation will no longer be blessed by God.

God has already removed His authority from church, justice, morals, government, education, health and social relations.

The fire and brimstone follows soon.