Mourner, I do NOT advocate joining any church for the sake of going to church. I currently attend a 25-30 member Baptist church that has reverent worship, adherence to scripture as the sole source of God's revelation and standard for man, and has warm caring people. Is it "Reformed"? No. Is every person in attendance saved? I don't know. Is the Word preached without fundamental errors? A resounding YES. If the likes of SC, Dorcas, Frank, and Ladybug do not have this basic example to attend, but gather on the Lord's Day with others, no matter the numbers, and worship together, praise God.
ALL, I do not refute, ignore, or will contradict any scripture that has been presented in context. I stand with you in recognition that there are far more heretical, worldly, and downright apostate "churches". I pray we all stay away from any of that as well as pray ALL would be lead to a fundamentally sound congregation for corporate worship.
Great Sermon! Through God's providence, I came upon this wonderful message by Rev. Henry Mahan. It is a confirmation of what has been revealed by God to me, which is why I am too in despair for our churches. But the strange thing is that this was preached in 1960, and I grew under this other gospel
We are warned about divisions in Rom. 16:17: â€śMark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.â€ť
Yet Christ said he had come to divide. â€śSuppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather divisionâ€ť. Luke 12:51.
Truth and purity always divide. Schisms help preserve and redefine faith and practice.
Christ prayer for unity centered on the sanctified, with no intention of uniting all at the cost of disobedience.
When the church is corrupt, believers have to get out. This is the principle of separation revealed for the disciple in 2 Cor. 6:17. â€śCome out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lordâ€ť or in I Cor. 11:18-19 â€śI hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.â€ť
However, when the church is pure, the unbeliever is the one that moves out because he/she finds no place in it. â€śThey went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.â€ť I Jo.2: 19
Let us judge by ourselves what is the tenor in todayâ€™s church.
s c wrote: Praise God for the voice of ladybug on such forum. She never exercises authority over but always speaks much in a very direct and gracious manner. A lady indeed by Christian standards. Keep contributing ladybug as the Lord sees fit.
I agree with you about Ladybug; she has certainly been a blessing to me after what I will simply say was a rough start.
It is also interesting that zeal is starting to show itself as the cause of being pharisaical. Incorrect zeal is zeal that is not according to knowledge. I have not heard that conceded as yet? Paul said he was guilty of it when he was hunting down Christians (he did it out of ignorance) and he said the Jews were guilty of that as a nation. The Jesuits could have said that when they burned heretics at the stake. All I am saying is according to scripture incorrect zeal does not contain correct knowledge. If I am wrong, someone correct me.
Now, I am not even angry anymore; thank God, but if zeal is incorrect, it is not according to knowledge. That is what these judgmental folks were doing in the beginning. Those who don't attend church aren't Christian, etc.
To the likes of 1517, I don't meet with any fellow believers on the Lord's day; sad but true.
1517, I just read your last post, and I do offer my apologies for coming across as harsh. Praise God for His great mercy and love in adding you to His family. I am amazed every day that He chose me! Blessings to you and yours.
Memories Pizza fund raising was helped by large audiences of conservative talk show hosts who shared the issue. Lots of people, not necessarily Christians, donated to their cause. They receive about $800,000,
Mr. Beck needs to do his research. From ONE of many websites set up to aid the persecuted brethren in their most recent data they received nearly $39 million dollars. Who would you say got more help? Agree with brother/sister sc's statement.
There is a huge need for us to be more aware of the plight of our persecuted brethren as Mourner said and uphold them before the throne of grace.
Praise God for the voice of ladybug on such forum. She never exercises authority over but always speaks much in a very direct and gracious manner. A lady indeed by Christian standards. Keep contributing ladybug as the Lord sees fit.
John UK wrote: SC, what if in God's sovereign will, Frank was destined to be pastor of, say, Miami Christian Fellowship? The elders of the church have been dedicated to the up-building of the church for a decade since it began as a pioneering work. Because of open-air evangelism (from the church), there have been about twenty converts, all of them eager to be taught the word of God and grow in their faith. The MCF believes in the doctrines of grace, which affects the way services are run. Let's say Frank attended once, but decided not to return because of some minor issue. But if he had continued there, and become part of the fellowship, respected and received, and had his gifts noticed and used within the context of the church (that is, the edification of both saints and the new converts), in the will of God he would have been called to the fulltime ministry. Fictitious example, but I hope you see the point. Please note that even the Apostles Paul and Barnabas did not self-launch, but were sent out "from the church" in Antioch, under their authority.
Who said it would only take a minor issue for me not to attend. I never used that expression and never hinted at anything like, something minor. Oh never mind, I see the what if.
Very broad sweeping statements from Beck. He has no way of knowing what Christians care more about,only what the papers say. Lots of propaganda and indoctrination- something which he is very much a party to.
1517 There is no reformed church in my general location and the nearest is over 200 miles away. I left a Baptist Church who held to the 1689 over worship and they were very close to what I believed A regards the regulative principle. I believe it is not as easy as you assert what does it mean that you cannot except that there is no congregation for believers to join together in worship? other than your promoting religious pluralism? That's not reformed
Phil.3:13-21 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:...
1517, thank you for sharing your testimony, most helpful.
Acts 2:1 KJV (1) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Anyone want to be filled with the Spirit? Best to get together with the saints who want to be filled with the Spirit.
Acts 2:41-42 KJV (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (42) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
SC, thanks for that. But it is nearly always the case, that God works through men who are submitted not only to the Lordship of Christ, but also to other men. This is why I mentioned the Apostle Paul. If any man is not under authority, that is, God's safeguard for him, then he is not doing the will of God.
Let me repeat, that I believe there are a multitude of women who, not being able to have their own voice in the context of a biblical church, head for the internet forums, and set up daily ministries, like they were some sort of prophet or pastor. And Frank should not be encouraging that. We brothers have a responsibility which we should not neglect.
excellent thoughts from Frank and sc; I hardly think those of us who cannot find an acceptable place to worship should be labeled in an unfavorable way. For anyone to claim they cannot believe many brethren cannot find a true, God fearing, Bible believing church led by a man who's actually been called by God to preach is astounding. Perhaps Paul's warnings are ignored in this present day, -"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Tim. 4:3-4 " Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" 1 Timothy 4:1 Let's not forget the warnings concerning the wolves entering into the fold, disguised as sheep and even elders. Rather than speak unfavorably of the brethren who are without a place of worship, shouldn't prayers be going up on our behalf? I don't think preaching erroneous doctrine, or accepting unregenerate sinners as members are secondary issues, nor do I think the lack of church discipline is secondary. May we all check our opinions against holy writ.
I live in a very remote small community. There is RC, Pentecostals,and Mormon organizations. We were saved by God's mercy from the cult of Romanism , we will have nothing to do with cults, ecumenism, or false religion, if you choose to fellowship in that environment....knock yourself out and stop with the self-righteous attitude towards others. Good day.
I believe that Frank is probably sensitive to the Holy Spirit and is being obedient. If he isn't,we should all fail so miserably. For someone who is out of the will of God, he has a lot of fruit. And,we have all benefited from such. One doesn't need to ponder on the "what ifs",if one is being used to the glory of God.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: thanks for your kind words John UK It seems, brother, that my latest "spiritual gift" is the ability to upset people either mildly or mightly (one guy wanted to beat on me and I think pennned threatened to body slam me, not sure about the latter ) Because it is multiple people over multiple threads, then the problem is with me. The Bible says that the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy (James 3:17) so I need to wrok on being more contemplative, courteous, and clear in the way I post things. I need to word things not only more carefully but prayerfully.
Brother, even though you are not guilty, you still respond graciously to your detractors, which to me is the most amazing testimony, and something for me to aspire to. I am always blessed by your quoting of scriptures, which shows me that you believe it is the word of God, and that it ought to be obeyed. The backslider in heart is always full of his own ways, but the spiritual man seeks to be submissive to the will of God through his word. Anyway, thanks again, bro.