Jim, US prenatal care is lousy. their kind of care leads to high ceasarean rates. they treat pregnancy like a disease and don't teach women proper ways of raising a baby, nor should they. the biblical model is for older women to teach the younger. and that's free.
in other words, its just propaganda and waste of money.
what reduces abortion is first: that murder is illegal. second: that the nation is Godly, hence the need for the gospel. three: an environment that allows the building up of land for families, communities, not healthcare that robs people of their money and coaches them on how to end the life short of the undesirables.
in other, words, its a bunch of hogwash. why do you hold on to it?
you think I'm just making it up? meeting homeless women who can't get fulltime work because of ACA. its bankrupting the working poor, which is what the working class is now.
John UK wrote: It is a Flower Power statement which, because of various texts of scripture in which a universal atonement is mentioned, removes the Limited Atonement (L) and replaces it with a Particular Purpose (PP) of the atonement. Jim, at Indian Hills, calls it Amyraldy something or other. Mr Spurgeon would certainly agree with such a thing.
Here we again see the local posting Arminians (Pseudo-RCC) imitating their theological brothers the Roman Catholics.
Amazing how the posters below see themselves as being holier than thou - Or as they have put it more theologically superior than Martin Luther.
Michael. The acronym TUPPIP comes from the Arminian/RCC ideology that Christ failed in His atonement of the sinners. TUPPIP means Christ aimed at the whole world and missed most people. TUPPIP tries to apologise for the error and represent their shame of the divine miscalculation.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.--John 3:3 KJV
Would someone(s) please explain that verse. Not knowing precisely what is meant by the "kingdom of God", in that verse I have looked at the verse as indicating that if you can't even see it then you surely can't get in it, what ever it stands for, unless you are "born again".
The verse could be the most clear cut revelation in the Bible for the necessity of a being "born again" in order to stay out of hell and the lake of fire, depending on what "kingdom of God" means in that verse.
Why Penny you must have seen my comments on other threads, about,
BBC News wrote: Fact: Before ACA, pre-natal care wasn't normal women's care. Some 87% of insurance plans on the individual market did not offer maternity or labour and delivery as part of their coverage package.
Women have been going into debt, declaring bankruptcy, ruining their lives; all to give birth.
Satan at work again trying to remove every tiny reference to Biblical Christianity. Liberalism in the churches is doing the same thing and this attack upon education is obviously aimed at the future generations. The day may come when every small reference of Scripture will be removed from all western education books and systems. That is Satan's work and his followers serve this blind ignorance rather than truth.
Jesus says; Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Pilgrim, I am saying:  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2Pe 2:1 KJV)
 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1Co 6:20 KJV)
59 agorazo ag-or-ad'-zo from 58; properly, to go to market, i.e. (by implication) to purchase; specially, to redeem:--buy, redeem. see GREEK for 58
The word used for â€śboughtâ€ť is the same word in 2 Peter 2:1 and was clearly referring to false prophets and the word â€śboughtâ€ť that was used in 1 Corinthians 6:20 was clearly referring to the saved.
Jesus is the Son of God, period. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the â€śwholeâ€ť world. Jesus was raised for our justification and that fact â€śmust be acknowledgedâ€ť in order for someone to be saved. Scripture never says Jesus was raised for the justification of the lost, nor does it say that Jesus intercedes and prays for the lost. Once again, in order to be saved, we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He came into this world; that He died on the cross for our sins; and that He was raised for our justification.
Unprofitable Servant writes: When lack of funding starts costing people treatment (this is not if but when because it will happen) will you still sing the praises of the system who basic plan will be don't get sick and if you do die quickly (as you love to quote).
He will just blame baby face Bush and the Republicans.
Sorry, hit the add comment too soon. Luther still held a semi-catholic view, as I perceive it, of the communion elements. He was once in a debate of which he repeatedly stated in German "this is my body, this is my body" referring to Christ in the upper chamber. He wasn't totally in step with spiritual cannabilism, but wasn't fully detached from Catholic influence.
Michael Hranek wrote: Christopher000 Thanks for posting back Please understand I was not saying these Lutherans were doing exactly what the RCs do, but for me it is way too close for comfort
Christopher000 John UK Frank and others with interest reading along
Is it safe for us to think and say: The Holy Spirit will NEVER lead a child of God to make, bow down to let alone worship an idol, without seriously grieving Him, and provoking God to a enoromously needed corrective discipline in any of His children so backslidden? (others may word this differently)
Ultimately I believe this is the case, although Satan is a maserful deceiver, who would seek to prey upon the weak and ignorant, the HOLY SPIRIT isn't, and again I have to think there is a HOLY Jealousy with God that He does not abandon a single child who belongs to Him to the devil (after all the devil is still God's devil and he cannot pluck anyone out of the Father's hand)
Back to my rambling: Idolatry is serious sinful business and I trust humility and the fear of the LORD will serve us well in being teachable to what is the Truth in the matters of Trans or Con substantialtion, personally I believe bread and wine are represenative of Christ, we receive Him in/by faith alone