like a worldling you rush to judgement of phelps and me whilst accusing others of 'deception extremism and apostasy ' does it not occur to you that God in his mercy might have many ways of calling the lost including the stormtroopers of the WBC ? the phelps are anything but apostates but you probably only spent a minute looking at the site and got scared off

you wouldnt know for instance that fred is the kind of man who dosent care what others think he was the ONLY lawyer to take on black civil rights cases in the 60's in his 'jim crow town' of topeka and received public recognition for it in the 80's

God uses every conceivable device to bring people to repentance use a little imagination and check the doctrine its 100% thats the plumbline not wether it offends your sensibilities

the truth is that everyone outside the gospel camp IS going to hell and they need to stop 'making lies their refuge for it will not stand'

having decided the facts beforehand you then arrange the evidence to support it as in the strangulation of the parable of the two sons,

you may be relieved to know that i wont be flying over to oakland tomorow anyway but i was disapointed they couldnt come over here as i would like to meet them.

The approach is obviously provocative and in your face to get attention and in consequence this small fellowship has a voice and influence out of all proportion to their numbers they are known all over the world - extraordinary. I think they are taking this approach because there is no alternative the main stream church in USA dare not tackle these issues

DJC raises an interesting point which has occured to me he is quite elderly and the last of his generation of preachers and he is alone what WOULD rolfe barnard et al think of todays america ?

Theres no hate on that website just dire warnings and up to the minute commentary and a lot of work put into the ministry

Your entire argument rests upon the false proposition that Fred is hateful, this is similar to the LGBT crowd, anything they dont like said about them is 'hate' i suggest that you are using that word to freely in connection with bro phelps for no reason other than its the cultural zeitgeist in which you live and hence unbiblical.

warning sinners in plain terms is not by any stretch of the imagination hateful

you want to take a closer look at that website especially the videos of the mobs of demon possesed sodomites and their enablers that the phelps often confront and see who are the haters and beasts it is frightening and highly revealing

'phelps a self righteous hypocrite' example please ?

practicing what you preach is righteousness you accuse but provide no basis this is what the world does - throw enough mud and some of it will stick

If you are an unrepentant sinner God does in fact hate you and will punish
you eternaly - he is warning people

Nowhere in scripture ? sure JAT thats why they sawed isiah in half cos they liked him so much and Jesus said 'which of my prophets have you NOT killed ?

Like the OT prophets phelps is procaimig profound gospel truths to a degenerate culture which has so far forgot itself as to not even be able to recognise a call to repentance when it is given and tolerates the real hypocrites.

i have no idea about the sitauation of the slain pastor maybe you or fred phelps knows something i dont but i do know one thing, one does not have to look far or far to see the gospel being hawked and w***** anyone that cant see this happening daily is blind i myself have been at the receiving end of deception practiced by pastors and 'evengelists' and if i was not one of the elect i would have them to thank for going to hell listening to freds preaching and acting on it will keep a sinner out of hell for sure which is more than can be said for most preaching in churches today - why no approbium for them ? Cos they dont come across all nasty and scary and judgemental they do not smile and shake hands and help send people to a damned eternity Yes i do think fred is a man of God and has been raised up at this late hour to address a particular constituency.

its considered to be a sign of calling if you are persecuted for proclaiming the gospel which they do and are so why are they not congratulated for it ? Hypocrisy thats why.

who are the clanging cymbals today ? the ones going around telling the lost the false doctrines of man arminism, god loves everyone etc. 'professing Godliness but denying its power'

am i to understand from v 2 and 3 that you think they lack love ? if thats true then you dont understand what that verse means you think its being nice and affectionate and having outward signs toward people so that they like you and doing good turns etc a sort of works religeon, what these people are doing is 'bringing themselves a living scarifice'

this family fulfils the other verses they are not puffed up nor do they rejoice in iniquity they endure all things and rejoice in the truth

you had the oppurtunity to make a point but i conclude in the absence of same that your criticism of them comes not from the word but from a worldly view.
this is all i ever read about criticism of the phelps nothing from a biblical perspective just some supposedly self explanatory bible verses or worldly ungodly criticism

some of the senior members already have

I encourage myself by imagining these fools on the great day aghast at their unspeakable folly, their bones loose in their joints and 'amazed in fearfulness' astonished at the extent of their fear in front of the King begging and pleading 'Lord Lord dint we do great things in your name....' yet knowing that their eternal doom and torment await as Jesus says take him and bind him, these self worshippers will shortly be joining darwin and have an eternity to reflect on how they have mocked and blasphemed the word and persecuted the believers Gods sheep from within what should have been a church, all for the sake of worchipping themselves oh the folly !
be encouraged this is all part of Gods plan count on it

God has a wonderful plan for your life (not if you dont belong to him)

God loves everyone (no he does not psalm 7)