John You Kay Wrote: Penny, I believe there is a great deal of mystery and awe about the salvation of any sinner. It is a most wonderful thing, and not to be lightly spoken of. Some talk as if it were no more than like joining a golf club.
I agree about the golf.club part, John. Being finite beings and restricted to the material, it's all we know, and all we can comprehend. When we say we have been born again, I'm not sure we understand how fantastic that really is or how we have been set apart, to the point that the divide is recognizable in the spirit world. There's something different about us; something that Satan and his angels can see when they pass by. Something that limits their activity and causes rage against God because we are recognized as His own. I always wondered if it is a specific aural color that the saved emit, or maybe the Holy Spirit is visible within, or...guardian angels forever near with swords drawn. Anyway, salvation isn't like getting a trophy or gaining membership to some club, but rather, something so fantastic that we can't possibly do any description justice with our finite minds, or begin to fully comprehend it.
Great Sermon! Love this sermon! Especially question at end regarding what will satisfy us on eternity. Nothing in this world that is for certain! The world and all its allure menus is passing away and as Conrad says a sinking ship. Great application for my soul
Thanks brethren for all the posts. I'm out all day today trying to sell my paintings at market, but I'll check in later on tonight. Last week the Lord gave me opportunity to give my testimony to a couple who also have a stall at market and are there every week. Please pray the Lord will open their eyes and that they might ask more questions about "so great salvation", which they have so far neglected. I am in the midst of about forty others who know not the Lord, and thankfully have one other Christian to have fellowship with, so please pray for us, that we may be light in a dark place, just as the Lord leads.
BACKSLIDING?? Here pastor with the wisdom of the Spirit of God explains the difference between the two kinds of beliefs of two kinds of people. A belief on the information of academic interest in the Bible like Adam was created by God, and the belief in the heart that God created you as a son of Jesus Christ as declared in Ephesians 1:4. This is a wonderful study on the scary verse in Hebrews 10:38 taking Esau and Judas Iscariot as examples of those who fall away. Pastor is always careful to interpret the verses in a way that the Sovereignity of God is intact. All Glory to God for He is the one that preseves His children unto the heavenly kingdom.
John UK wrote: Well of course a saved person is saved from the future wrath, he could hardly be saved from something that isn't here yet.
Paul wasn't talking about just anyone at any time, John. He was talking about himself and those he was writing to at that exact point in time.... the same time "the wrath of God is (present tense) revealed from heaven" (Rom 1:18). That's the wrath Paul is talking about being saved from.
But I'll relent. You're a brother, we use the same bible, so you can decide for yourself if Paul was talking about being saved from the then present wrath or their future glorification according to Reidhead's rendition.
"4) The Future Tense: I shall be saved, from the presence of sin ... glorification."
James Thomas wrote: Reading the next two verses validates what you are saying about Romans 5:9. The same melodic flow of "what was" being compared to "what is, and what will be".
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. (Romans 5:10-11 )