Hi John, when a member of the laity answers questions about salvation, being born again, etc, they are not being willfully deceptive by any means. What it really boils down to are the core definitions that have been indoctrinated into them, all in the name of ecumenism Baptist pastor to stranger in elevator: hello friend, do you know Christ as your savior? "Yes sir, I do" You have repented of your sins and asked Christ into your life? "Yes sir". Have you been born again? "Yes sir, I have and am". Pastor says, "Well, praise God, brother! " What the pastor walked away not knowing is that the stranger was Roman Catholic and defines the tenents of salvation differently. When a Roman Catholic claims to be born again, what they mean is that they've been baptized as infants, perform auricular confession, and observe/perform the sacraments of pennance, etc. I'm not sure if I answered your question properly?
Jaws Thanks vry much to both Gib Ham and Trevor for bringing this excellent programme to listeners. It was From Gib that i 1st learnt abt 'Fighting for the Faith' and Trevor who highlighted this episode. I think Janet Meford had to apologise in order to protect her colleagues n their livelihoods. She simply cannot stand by her guts n ideology while hundreds of her christian colleagues whom she loves dearly may potentially lose their livelihood by the closure of her programme. Thks to u both, i understand the backroom ongoings n corruption of christian radio n these host/hostess escapades has again heightened the need to be discerning abt christian books, broadcast, sermons n the likes.
I‚Äôve been a Christian counselor for more that thirty years and, sadly, know that this issue is as prevalent for Christians as unbelievers. It is a tangled mess.
Further, at Birmingham Theological Seminary in a Communications class this semester, the professor assigned, for the final paper, the topic ‚ÄúThe Growing Emptiness of Evangelicalism and the Loss of Theological and Moral Boundaries.‚ÄĚ
Good comments mr B-bop, and shane (and others). I have lived from NYC to Vegas, and been from Miami to Washington and have seen it all. Man have I seen it. Especially in NYC and Vegas, but everywhere, really.. I think it was Shane who said its become fashionable and cool amongst the kids which is just unbelievable. As much as we hear and see, as long as this has been going on now, I just can't believe how far they have come, how the lifestyle has become the new normal, or how the governments of the world are now re-writing the laws to accommodate them. Hmmm.
Thanks Dolores. What a great husband you seem tto have. I have to fake it around my wife who finds it to be an inconvenience. Funny since she plays a major role. I wish it was only seasonal and nothing has helped so far. Hopefully I'll find some sort of relief soon becsuse it's pretty bad on a consistent basis. Enough about me though...everyone reading has their own problems. Thanks though! : )
Good posts, Rafael, Martin, and others. As for some others, I have to stick with my original post. I always like to remind everyone, like get real mentioned, that homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until recently. Really crazy how quickly they have advanced and taken the law by it reins. Kind of reminds me of the woman riding the beast...all drunken and disgusting, laughing, haughty, trampling everyone in her path, etc. Oh man, GS...that was quite the interesting analogy...ha-ha. I think simple analogies are great tools to help others paint pictures of views that they might not be seeing clearly.
John Yurich USA wrote: John UK, If a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation then they are Born Again but if a Catholic does not trust in Jesus alone for salvation then they are not Born Again.
Correct, and then the ones who are born again realise they are not saved by the sacraments but by simple faith in Jesus Christ directly. So they stop attending the mass and confession. Like you, they confess their sins directly to the Lord Jesus at night before they turn in, and if they want to take the bread and wine, they can do so at home because it is simply a remembrance of what the Lord Jesus accomplished at Calvary in AD33 when he died in the place of sinners, taking their sins upon himself, that they might be forgiven and given eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
June Annette Nadolny wrote: Hey John, it is good to see you are still contending for the faith once delivered unto the saints and though I have not posted at SA in more recent days, I have been commenting for sometime now on various forums online on articles relating to the ongoing global Roman Catholic clergy abuse scandal. Recently though other priorities have emerged and so I have withdrawn from these discussions as well. Unarguably the RC institution is imploding from within right before our eyes in real time. The cracks in her foundation are becoming deeper and wider and her complete destruction appears very close at hand. God is not mocked! On a more personal note, Ralph is laboring under a number of health problems just now and more of my time and energy is of necessity being directed toward his care. Notwithstanding, we have found that His mercies are new every morning and daily we prove his grace to be sufficient for us. Hope all is well with you John!
I plod on regardless, June. Every day is a day of grace.
Interesting what you say about the RCC imploding, you must have some insider info I've not heard about.
Your husband is fortunate to have a goodwife to support him. Give him regards from his brother John UK.
Lurker wrote: Indeed, John. 1Ti 1:12-17 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. No hand-wringing here. God decisively brings to pass that which He proposes.
Amen brother, that's the very passage I was thinking of. One thing that came out last night was the fact that Saul compelled believers to blaspheme, even to deny their faith through torture. He was a really nasty piece of work. But the Lord knew what he was doing, and permitted it for a reason, even though others of his people suffered.
Summary, Part 4 (final) 3. Unbelievers reject the teaching of the Bible precisely because it assumes the existence of the God, Whose existence they wickedly doubt or deny. Far from neutral, their unbelief is a commitment to the lives they already live. 4. If you deny God‚Äôs existence, then you also deny the help of the only One who is able and willing to save you from your sins. ISAIAH 45:22: ‚ÄúTurn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.‚ÄĚ
Summary, Part 3 NOTICE THE COMMON THEME IN ALL THESE STATEMENTS: they all confess faith on the one true and living God and reject the deity of all other gods. A WORD OF QUALIFICATION: the mere acknowledgement of God‚Äôs existence is not to be confused with saving faith. JAMES 2:19: even the devils believe in God and tremble. AN IMPORTANT LESSON: all the gods of the heathen are the work of men‚Äôs dreams and delusions. Which is preferable: a tolerant god or a saving God? Man‚Äôs gods are the works of men‚Äôs hands, but the Christians are the work of their God‚Äôs hands. APPLICATIONS: 1. Since the Bible presumes the existence of God, and since men know for certain that God exists, we are under no obligation to prove His existence to those who wickedly deny knowledge of His existence. Everyone has a presupposition, but which one fits reality? It‚Äôs a fool‚Äôs errand to adopt neutrality, which is unbelief, to arrive at belief. 2. We should be prepared to expose the folly of those who claim so-called ‚Äėneutral objectivity‚Äô to support their doubt about, or their outright denial of, God‚Äôs existence. If one were truly neutral, he would come to faith via what he already knows but denies and by the overwhelming testimony of God‚Äôs existence.
Summary, Part 2 God is still God without men or men‚Äôs belief. God supports our existence (ACTS 17:28). He created us; we didn‚Äôt create Him. A. GOD‚ÄôS EXISTENCE IS ASSUMED IMPLICITLY BY SCRIPTURE. The Bible presupposes God‚Äôs existence; it would be indecipherable without it. In the beginning, God is already there, already acting. Nichols: ‚ÄúThe evil doubts which men call neutral objectivity the Bible calls lies and folly.‚ÄĚ B. GOD‚ÄôS EXISTENCE IS ASSERTED EXPLICITLY IN SCRIPTURE. 1. God explicitly and directly asserts His existence in Scripture in the first person (‚ÄúI am God, and there is no other‚ÄĚ). This assertion calls for our response, not our speculation. Nichols: ‚ÄúOur response to God‚Äôs assertion of His existence exposes our personal relationship with Him and our heart attitude toward Him.‚ÄĚ 2. God‚Äôs people assert His existence in Scripture by their public confession of faith in Him. Moses testifies of His providence in DEUTERONOMY 4:35, 39; Rahab of His people in JOSHUA 2:11; His Old Covenant people of His glory in PSALM 115:1-4; Paul of His supremacy in 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4. The Thessalonian Christians had ‚Äúturned to God from idols to serve a living and true God‚ÄĚ (1 THESSALONIANS 1:9). John concludes his first epistle with an affirmation followed by a warning (1 JOHN 5:20-21).
Summary, Part 1 [Pastor Nutter credits his former professor, Pastor Greg Nichols of Grace Immanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, for the outline of this message, which can be found in Pastor Nichols‚Äô book, *What does the Bible say about God?: The Biblical doctrine of God*.] Notice what ISAIAH 45:22 teaches about God: 1. God announces the fact of His being; 2. God insists upon the uniqueness of His being; 3. then God expresses the moral and spiritual relevance of His being to men. In his *Existence and Attributes of God*, Stephen Charnock derives three lessons from PSALM 14:1: 1. it is a great folly to deny or doubt the existence or being of God (or, an atheist is a great fool); 2. practical atheism is natural to man in his corrupt state; 3. a secret atheism, or a partial atheism, is the spring of all the wicked practices in the world. This message will not use theistic proofs for God‚Äôs existence, which are man‚Äôs philosophical attempts to prove God, but instead will argue from God‚Äôs own revelation of Himself. I. THE FACT OF GOD‚ÄôS EXISTENCE. We will distinguish between this and His being, which concerns his attributes. There can be no more basic or important study that of God Himself. His existence is objective to us and independent of us.
Christopher000 wrote: John Yurich Wrote: "Well I am Roman Catholic. So don't make a blanket statement that all Catholics don't understand what being Born Again means." John, I don't know how you can keep saying this. You are not a Roman Catholic. Yes, you attend their church disguised as one, but say you are secretly born again...shhh..., but how can you claim to be one of them when you disagree with most of their doctrines; ignoring and pretending that what is happening and being said, isn't. The only way you can claim to be Roman Catholic is if you subscribe to every doctrine and follow them blindly, whether or no your priest thinks otherwise. Even though your priest is not "cognizant" if your deception, you are still cursed and damned by them for all eternity...
If I attend the Catholic Church and not a Protestant Church then I am Catholic and not Protestant. That is logical. And if the Catholic Church is not cognizant of my beliefs then there is no way logically that I can cursed and damned by them for all eternity.
John UK, If a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation then they are Born Again but if a Catholic does not trust in Jesus alone for salvation then they are not Born Again.
I remember little signs in businnes when I waa child that read "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" . If that Judge is so worried about gay peoples rights to impose on anyone let him bake them a cake!!