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 1/20/07 11:59 AM |
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The gifts are given by the will of the Holy Spirit, not the will of cessationism or any other theological movement(1st Cor. 12:11) Furthermore, the book of Acts lists at least one who was not an original Apostle and did signs and wonders, that being Phillip. This just confirms that "Them that believe.." will have signs following, not "You Apostles only who believe..."(Mark 16). And the prophecy of Joel quoted by Peter also proves the point: All flesh will one day receive the Holy Ghost with visions, prophesying and dreams being common signs among them. All flesh, not only the Apostles. "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call," Peter said in regard to the promise of the Holy Ghost(Acts 2:38,39). And of course the most frequent visible sign of receiving the Holy Ghost was speaking in tongues, so it shouldn't be any different to expect something else (or nothing) today. |
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| 1/18/07 12:12 AM |
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MBL,
You asked:"So again, can you show me one single person in the Bible who spoke in tongues who wasn't an apostle" Yes, the folks saved under Peter were not apostles. Nor were those to whom Paul preached "OR saved under an apostle?!!?" No, because the only ones the Bible records as preaching and the others speaking in tongues are the Apostles and those to whom they preached. But using your logic the only ones who really believed and are saved, are only the Apostles and their immediate converts, applying what Jesus says about those who believe and speak in tongues. That's not true. Jesus says These signs shall follow them that believe..Not "And only those who believe are the Apostles and their immediate converts---and these signs shall follow only them and nobody else."
To me, those who believe, are all who believe, from the New Testament to today. If you want to believe differently, you are entitled to that. I'll let God work out the details, since it's His Spirit that does the dispensing of the gifts according as He will and we aren't to forbid them(1st Cor 12:11; 1 Cor. 14:39). |
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| 1/17/07 9:05 PM |
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Cbcpreacher, if it wasn't for today then I think that 33% would be 0. I see those of the cessasionist camp are as charismatic as ever with their extensive additions to the Bible to attempt to silence others. I thought you didn't believe in new revelation, but it comes in handy when trying to prove your point, no?  |
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| 1/17/07 12:36 PM |
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Right, Duh....um, what did MBL say about false witness? I don't skim over my Bible. Something I won't do, because it contains all that is necessary to eternal life. No verse in there says only those saved under the Apostles preaching will speak in tongues. It simply says "Those who believe..." Did everybody who got saved under the Apostles also pick up snakes and drink poison? Oh well, enough said... . But thanks for the info. It's been interesting. Cessasiosism requires much extra revelation and stretching of events to propagate itself...but I thought revelation ceased. So why are you guys posting? . Something to think about. |
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1/20/07 1:57 PM
....see you later 
