[URL=http://www.rae.org/darwinskeptics.pdf]]]3000 skeptics of Darwinims: all Scientists[/URL]
Dr. Bergman with little difficulty, assembles a list of almost 3,000
scientists and professors who reject evolutionary naturalism, most of whom hold a Ph.D. degree in some
field of science. This is but a small percentage of the estimated 113,000 Darwin skeptic scientists
academics and scientists in the United States alone, accordingly to a Harvard researcher (Gross and
Simmons, 2006)

Foundations of the U.S. are not just undercut, but destroyed by ignorance of-
[URL=http://www.rae.org/creator.html]]]A Creator God & Creationism in State Constitutions[/URL]

preacherjond wrote:
notes and such can be studied from a different book

[DJC49, on 8/10 2:33 PM,claimed "God forbid" was wrong but
"NASB has it right..and accurately reads"
& he was shown
[URL=http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/Godfd.html]]]God Forbid[/URL]
IS correct &
in fact his own supposed 'right'NASB
has 'God forbid" in Mat. 16:22 ,

hidemi williges wrote:
praises to Ruth, KJVLover, Kenny and Democratic Conservative.
Why rely on writers such as Bruce Metzger and not on Writers such as Edward Hills or Donald Waite

Here's a good statement of scripture:
[URL=http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/statement.pdf]]]the Bible WITHOUT NOTE OR COMMENT TBS[/URL]
the [URL=http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org]]]trinitarian bible society[/URL] is engaged in the publication and distribution of the Bible:the English standard:
ONE principle good translation,
not justly to be accepted against
untampered with, honor by Him who
has magnified His word above all Thy name.
Give this a listen:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=110075182]]]Reasons for the use and defence of the AV today[/URL]
This address refers to the letter from the translators of the AV to the reader which is made available in the
[URL=http://playpdf.sa-media.com/media/110075182/110075182.pdf]]]pdf letter of the translators[/URL] .

[URL=http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/articles/kings.pdf]]] short overview of King James' history & Bibles[/URL]

DJC49 wrote:
DJC49 thinks every version has positive and negative points, -- I suppose he would spurn an NIV Only, or NASB Only, or NKJV Only position as well, but he does not say so explicitly, but one thing is obvious, he attacks the Authorised Bible more than any other version. According to DJC49’s doctrine of imperfect preservation, every Bible including Hebrew & Greek mss contains mistakes. If there is such a thing as a Perfect Bible, it is only the autographs which no longer exist, or it is in the sea of multiple manuscripts and versions, every one of them different and not the same.
As far as DJC49 is concerned, no one should presume to know with absolute certainty where the 100% infallible and inerrant Scripture today is. It may be somewhere out there, but precisely where, no believer can tell; the only one who can even come close to telling would be the textual critic, and even then, he cannot be dogmatic or absolutely sure. There is just no perfect standard to judge anything today. This logic of DJC49 is the same kind of logic that helped turn once-upon-a-time fundamentalist—Bart Ehrman—into an agnostic.Where is the Bible? The Bible is nowhere!

Mike wrote:
truth

[URL=http://www.trenthillsbaptist.org/alexandrian_creed.html]]]Ruckman's right about YOU[/URL]
he's wrong in MANY other places,
as Waite points out in the link to his message I gave: here's a different one
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=260713240]]]KJV Term Used as Smear part 2[/URL]

The point is that you
CAN'T
(and don't) cite
THE
Gk. or Heb.
YOU referred to: thus
defining yourself as part
of an Alexandrian cult.

I've already read the short link you gave: and as the majority of it has to do with ad hominems against Riplinger and attempts to deny what is proven, in the link you scoff at, Westcott and Hort were evolutionist, Baptismal Regeneration believing,
Bible infallibility denying, communist,deniers of Creation & Eden, denouncers of Evangelical Christianity
deniers of Heaven&Hell, advocates of Mariolatry, & deniers of a real Satan.
All documented with quotes from the founders of your 'scholarship onlyism' cult.
These are not ad hominems and character assassinations, and their fruits are borne out by the successive New Age Bible versions.

Your sneering is a typical tactic used by scholarship only fanatics and idolaters.

DJC49 wrote:
translating the inspired Hebrew and Greek

Robert Bratcher-GoodNewsBible - Disbelieved the first three chapters of Genesis
Edgar Goodspeed - RSV - Disbelieved in the deity of Christ & disbelieved the miracles of Christ.
Martin Woudstra - NIV- Had oversight of the entire Old Testament - Sodomite
J.B. Phillips - New Testament in Modern English & NASB Interlinear Greek-English New Testament by Zondervan - Necromancer - Believed that C.S. Lewis appeared to him on his TV set a few days after the death of Lewis.
Philip Schaff-1901 ASV-Chairman - Sought reuniting of the Protestant Church with Rome
Carlo Martini-United Bible Societies Greek New Testament-Jesuit Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church

Jethro wrote:
homosexual Christians

"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the Word of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be steady on all the battle front besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point." (Luther's Works. Weimar Edition. Briefwechsel [Correspondence], vol. 3, pp. 81f.)

convictedavuser wrote:
no greater KJV defender than D Cloud

Trinitarian Bible Society

blessed to have fellowship with such a brother

RE: David Cloud: I agree he's great, but I don't think he quite grasps Riplinger's points. It might be a personality issue, but I've read both extensively and can 'eat the meat & spit out the bones'
Have you read Riplinger's
"In Awe of Thy Word" tome??...good stuff.
and
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/kjvdefenderswaite.htm]]]Cloud recommends Dr. D.A.Waite !![/URL]

[URL=http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/articles/a100.pdf]]]N.T. textual key is wonderful[/URL]
as is the helpful
[URL=http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/articles/A121.pdf]]]Which Version?[/URL]

[URL=http://www.historicist.com/necromancers/necromancers.htm]]]They were Necromancers[/URL]

[URL=http://www.historicist.com/necromancers/nabv30gguild.htm]]]Channelers! ---[/URL]

[URL=http://www.scionofzion.com/haw.htm]]]What Hort and Westcott Believed[/URL]
[URL=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/wh-heretics.htm]]] summary of their heresy[/URL]

And their opinions show in the way they translated their corrupted texts.

In contrast, see the
[URL=http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/KJBible/barnett92.htm]]]PERPETUATED TRADITIONAL RECEIVED TEXT WORDS [/URL]
with 12 points of strength of the Authorised Bible
2.
Of course the Authorised Bible is not written in 'Elizabethan English'
which can be seen by contrasting the PREFACE style from the text of the Bible itself. We need the
[URL=http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/KJBible/sense.htm]]]PLAIN SENSE OF SCRIPTURE[/URL]
tho some want an informal God, no better educated than ourselves, with a limited vocabulary & a taste for modern slang.’
3.
[URL=http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/KJBible/multiversions.htm]]]Multiversions Onlyism: puerile criticisms rebuked[/URL]

DJC49 wrote:
Holy Spirit an "it?"

As My previous link showed, your own NASB supposed 'better' version,
has 'God forbid" in Mat. 16:22 where the 'scholarship-only' standards would condemn this version that YOU recommend. Again, neither the words “God” nor “forbid” are found there.

Reminds me of Matt. 7:1-5...

and as for your "it' Red-Herring
[URL=http://blessedquietness.com/journal/resource/kjvhlysp.htm]]]the Holy SpirIT[/URL]
"nasb and niv have two interesting & parallel verses in the new testament. Both Matt 12:45 and Lk 11:26 speak of a "spirit that takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than ITSELF". Here is a case of a spiritual entity that can see, hear, speak and has a personality, yet the gender is disregarded in the nas and niv, and is referred to as "itself". This spirit was not an inanimate object, but rather a spiritual being with a distinct personality. The same thing occurs in the KJB, nkjv, niv and nasb in Luke 8:29 "For he had commanded the unclean SPIRIT to come out of the man. For oftentimes IT had caught him."

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39
vs EXPIRED
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they WERE they which testify of me. John 5:39

Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant. 1 Kings 8:56
vs EXPIRED
Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath failed many words of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant. 1 Kings 8:56

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Matt. 22:29
vs EXPIRED
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures in their original form, nor the power of God. Matt. 22:29

Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. Ps. 119:140
vs EXPIRED
Thy word WAS very pure: therefore thy servant loved it. Ps. 119:140

Publican wrote:
May I purchase this anywhere

To date, over 54,000 copies of our Defined King James Bible have been printed and distributed in various places throughout the world.

Jethro wrote:
In ch 20 Ezekiel speaks about 'abominations'

Dishonestly ignoring that 'lewd' and 'whoredom' define what type of "abominations" he speaks to won't help your error:
Nor claiming of confusion over which "20 to 30" abominations Ezekiel has in mind-
[eating shellfish? or mixing fabric types?]
Ezekiel says in 16:58"Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD."
Ez 20:30's"whoredom after their abominations"
proving Ezekiel uses SODOM's
sexual sin defined in Genesis,as metalepsis, or double metonymy, Sodom for sodomy,
sodomy for their Ashtarte rites.

Jethro wrote:
8/9/08 3:57 PM
harlotry and lewdness applied to Israel don't mean exclusively sexual sin, hetro or homo. They are metaphor for abandoning God.

'homosexuality'
They include that.

No,not'metaphor 'rather,
metonymy where the subject is put for something pertaining to it (for example Genesis 41:13. Deutronomy 28:5 2 Chron.21:11 Jdg.2:17, 1 Cor.10:8 w/Num.25).

Specifically Ez.16:17 "Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,"
Where the Asherah, phallic worship, SPECIFICALLY led them, in the area of sodomy, to abandon the LORD in their pride, & give "follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature & despise authority" of Lev. 18:20-24,
23:18-19 where they were warned of sexual temptations of pagan religions.

Shall I trust my soul's salvation
To a fellow-creature's care?
Can a priest, a saint, or angel,
Save me in my dark despair?
None but Jesus, none but Jesus,
Hears a contrite sinner's prayer.

"Do I need a Mediator,
Other than the Son of God?
Can the Virgin Mary help me?
Jesus shed for me His blood
None but Jesus, none but Jesus,
Intercedes for me with God.

"Is there aught of praise or merit
Due to works my hands have done?
Can a life of tears and penance
For a single sin atone?
None but Jesus, none but Jesus:
He must save, and He alone.

"Can the waters outward washing
Inward change of heart supply?
Life and energy bestowing,
Can it bid corruption die?
Blessed Jesus, blessed Jesus,
Send Your Spirit from on high!

"Can the sacramental symbols-
Emblems of a Savior's love-
Can these satisfy the longings
Of a soul born from above?
None but Jesus, none but Jesus,
Food for fainting souls can prove.

Jethro wrote:
Ezekiel who identifies the sin of Sodom as

The fatal blow to your silly hermaneutic is in 2 Pet 2 & Jude which link Sodom’s guilt to carnality and sexual perversion.

In 2 Peter 2, the apostle said the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah should serve as an example to the wicked of every generation (vs. 6). Lot, he said, continually witnessed “the filthy conversation of the wicked,” who, among other things, “walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness” (vv. 7, 10).
Jude 7 makes the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah even more explicit: the inhabitants “giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,” and what could be stranger than men fornicating with other men?

From the earliest accounts of the history of crucifixion, it was considered the most horrible form of death. To the Jew, it would seem even more horrible because of the curse in
Deut.21:23

Crucifixion was horrible torture, killing by asphixiation, loss of blood and/or shock.