Frank wrote: What if Bongo was truly converted. Which if any of his thousands of wives would have to go. The answer is none. Now a short comment on Mark 4 that was discussed below. I have always looked at Mark 4 as one of the many proof texts for election. Notice what Christ said in verse 12. Is it any wonder why those in the RCC can't grasp the blessed gospel of our Lord and Savior. I argued those verses in Mark with a RC apologist who used them to show we can lose our salvation.  And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them. (Mar 4:11-12 KJV)
1. Quite so, bro. With Presby theology, just one Christian man (Bongo) can produce a church of six million without the gospel ever being preached or believed.
2. The lost soul can hear good sermons, read the Bible continuously, be prayed for, pray themselves, do penance, knock themselves on the head, and they will never see the truth unless God gives them to know the mystery of gospel.
John UK wrote: Bongo, he say, "Have baby - another Christian." Just like the Catholics. Except it don't work. A Christian couple are not a Christian-making machine.
What if Bongo was truly converted. Which if any of his thousands of wives would have to go. The answer is none.
Now a short comment on Mark 4 that was discussed below. I have always looked at Mark 4 as one of the many proof texts for election. Notice what Christ said in verse 12. Is it any wonder why those in the RCC can't grasp the blessed gospel of our Lord and Savior. I argued those verses in Mark with a RC apologist who tried to use them to show we can lose our salvation.
 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them. (Mar 4:11-12 KJV)
UNprofitable Servant...(12/5@7:46pm) Okay, I will play your game. I don't know anything about Calvinism. I might as well throw in Fatalism too. God differentiates between works of the law and faith. Faith towards God is not a work of the law which merits salvation. To him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. (Galatians 2:16). It is not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5). It is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.‚ÄĚ (Acts 5:32). This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Galatians 3:2). Meaning, did you receive the Spirit after you obeyed the law completely or after you heard the Gospel and became faithful? God gave the Holy Spirit to us also after(!!!) believing (Acts 11:17).
jessica moreno wrote: Paul saw his true religion as false,,,becoming a christian was the best decision he ever made in his life...
Acts 9:1-7 KJV 1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
John Yurich USA wrote: What is your problem anyway? Luther retained the Mass in the Lutheran Church minus the unscriptural parts of stating that the Mass is a sacrifice, etc. All the Protestant Reformers celebrated the Birth of Jesus because they knew that because if the wise men celebrated the Birth of Jesus that it is not unscriptural to celebrate the Birth of Jesus. And all normal Born Again individuals celebrate the Birth of Jesus because they also know that if the wise men celebrated the Birth of Jesus that it is not unscriptural to celebrate the Birth of Jesus.
SteveR wrote: He mourns because he is an old man and is afraid that he wont participate in the most exciting part of his heresy, the ruling over mortals during the 1000 yr reign. This is why these heretics attempt to usher in the fictitious pre trib rapture, as they must be alive at the rapture to rule during the 1000 yr reign
If it is a heresy you can surely give a Bible verse that shows it to be so.
Thank you JESUS,,,Paul saw his true religion as false,,,becoming a christian was the best decision he ever made in his life,,,I know when I became a christian in 2008 and was regenerated and baptized,,,that was the best thing i ever did in my life,,,I know the LORD has saved me,,,not growing up going to church but baptized as a baby catholic we never went to church,,,now I go twice on Sundays on weds to prayer and no matter where I go I know I can go to a reformed baptist church,,,or I'm back home to go to church,,,my LORD saved me and I want to be as faithful as I can to HIM,,,nothing else or no one else comes before HIM,,,prayers to all who are true christians,,,and GOD bless you all,,,
Mike wrote: No, but it is doubtful Paul had a different theological view than John. Maybe he just looked forward to the time he would shed his body, and let an unfettered eternity continue. He also said he would rather be absent from the body, and be present with the Lord (2Cor5:8) though he knew Christ was present within believers already (Col.1:27) John 6:54 "hath eternal life.." John 10:28 "I give unto them eternal life.." not "I will give unto them" John 5:13 "that ye may know that ye have eternal life" Eternal life in possession presently, thus permanently!
Yes, you are correct! The below says at the moment we believe, we "have" eternal life; not will have.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He 10:14 1 Pe 1:4 1 Co 1:8 2 Ti 4:18 Ro 11:29 He 7:25 Jo 17:15
John UK, you certainly have a creative mind brother. Can you loan me some of that.
NOOOO they should NOT be able to donate blood,,,you can have symptoms of HIV/aids for years and thets how you get HIV,,,thru blood,,,body fluids,,,how can they even consider it,,,thats evil,,,id rather die than get blood from a person who is homosexual,,,a needle user,,,or someone who has in the past,,,you'd have to be a vicious and evil person to even want to donate blood knowing thats how you are and knowing thats how you can pass HIV on to another person,,,I couldn't live with myself if I knew I was homosexual and donated blood,,,the government is considering this??? REALLY,,,REALLY,,,prayers to all who get this kind of blood,,,
If that were true then the bible must be fibbing that humans were made from dust with the LORDs hands and He breathed into mans nostrils and gave us life,,,and woman was made from mans rib,,,why ppl dont read the bible i dont understand instead of making up such horrifying lies,,,thank you LORD for giving us life and for choosing the elect,,,at least we know the truth,,,and are going with you when we leave this world,,,the rest well they are going with their father satan,,,the LORD knows HIS true christians,,,
Anne, You nailed it, Shultz is a circus act combined with a demolition derby. His shows are for the fringe Jerry Springer-esque political left. But, as you pointed out in scripture, God is not mocked. What a sober reality.