Danielle wrote:
The Holman CSB is translated directly from Greek/Hebrew for one. To be honest, I think that translation is MUCH better then the KJV.

I have a program called Wordsearch 9 and the nice thing about that is I can check for HCSB updates frequently to be sure I have the latest word updates, because they keep changing them.

I wrote a nasty letter to Max Mclean one time, because I was certain he was purposefully reading the wrong word in his Audio book of Revelation (single) which was HCSB. To my surprise, he was reading word for word, just the older version than my updated new one from Wordsearch. (creepy creepy creepy)

keyhole wrote:
NASBiness...

Then I noticed something...
The NASB was translating an animal name as Porpoise, which would be an unclean animal, for placement on Holy things? They were not to even touch the carcass! Would they place it on the Holy Tabernacle? Or on their feet? I guess there would be an abundance of Porpoise skins laying all over the desert wilderness, so it is possible it was just easy picking.
Exod 25:5 Exod 26:14 Exod 35:7
Exod 35:23 Exod 36:19 Exod 39:34
Num 4:6 Num 4:8 Num 4:10 Num 4:11
Num 4:12 Num 4:14 Num 4:25

Then I heard about Gail Riplinger for the first time, and while reading the official rebuttal from the Lockman Foundation who produces the NASB, cheering them on, I ran across their defense of B.F. Westcott's naming his pet dog with a specific demon name. When I looked up the what this demon name was, I found that it was the name of a demon that "helped God" create the creatures in the sea. (according to this specific demonology paper I read)

Jim Lincoln wrote:
A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed...

After all the versions issue and even sitting on the NKJV Committee, He is a strong King James Bible supporter.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Too bad this needs to be repeated,
'Was the translation process from original languages into English of 1611 A.D. protected from error by direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
"KJV only" advocates say yes!

The Ruckmanism you refer to is not the heart of the issue, but is only made so by uneducated or purposefully deceptive proponents of this controversy, apparently intending to further distort the facts. It is this kind of disregard for the truth of this matter that really makes it difficult to dig to the bottom of the pile of trash thrown in from both sides.

Danielle wrote:
To really understand the issue both sides should read "The King James only controversy, Can you trust modern translations?" By James White.

As far as I can tell, James White believes all of God's Word exists in all the MSS available, but doesn't believe in a preserved single source. "All truth is God's" truth seems to be the mystic mantra he espouses.

David Cloud and others similar in the King James Bible Defenders camp, insist that God preserved His Word as promised, and you can absolutely trust it without controversy or fear. Wholly lean on this Trusted Text as the very Words of the Living God.

I've been viciously attacked by the James White Crowd in their on line Chat Room at AOMIN when asking an earnest question. And 've been blasted by David Cloud and his crew too when asking questions. So you cant decide this issue on the "niceness" of either side.

Throwing stuff from the windows of moving vehicles is also regular activity there. I and other pedestrians and bicyclist have been hit with flying trash from the windows of moving vehicles. Target practice I suppose. A certain mentality of "survivalist commando" exists there, and I wonder if the "police" are afraid to confront these commando's.

He suffers from brain damage he incurred as a child of 8, but the details of the stories are very real to him. Who knows if it really did happen or not, he is a cousin of the late Rickey Nelson... oh the stories.

However, in the case of the story of this boy, and other NDE stories similar. I can't help but be cautious of both extremes. The religious Pharisees are deadly wrong when they accused Jesus of the spirit of demons.

Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

It is worth your time to read the whole chapter of this entire account, and get the whole story and better idea of the context.

Paul wrote:
You actually heard Martin say that? Can you remember which sermon?

I was listening to an old respecet preacher here on SA in a message he gave in 2002. He was advocating just this explaining... "you don't want to work at Target your whole life do you? You need to go to College!" and he was speaking to girls and even suggesting secular college. He said to the parents something like "God will protect them, you can't protect them forever yourselves". --Albert Martin--

"We will build the most brilliant, golden civilization ever seen -- and built by men and women!"

"Maitreya says everyone is gods in human form...Men are men who don't know they're gods...He will show them how to become gods..."

"You only get peace when you have trust, and you only have trust when you have justice..."