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News Item6/19/09 6:50 PM
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Post Haste wrote:
Now as far as Mr. Dispy is concerned he can ditch the OT because he believes it is addressed to somebody else. ...
After all Jesus said He came to fulfil the OT and not "one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." So when you carve up the verses which you disagree with what criterion do you apply for this act?
Now you've misrepresented my position. I have never denied that the OT can be 'ditched' (whatever that means). It is addressed to persons other than the Church (in the direct sense) but is there for teaching, reproof, &c.

We can certainly learn about God, his character, his will, his plan, &c. from the OT without asserting that everything he told Israel to do means he also wants us to do the very same thing.

As to carving up verses, the dispensational position is much more sensible than the covenanter's, who has a much tougher steak to cut since he says the OT still applies.

None of you have yet answered why it is that you do not (for example) actively advocate the stoning of adulterers, rebellious children, and homosexuals. Are those not Biblical words, too? Perhaps it is just because it has gone out of style, whereas hurling curses at those one dislikes never does...


News Item6/19/09 4:19 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
Enough of your silly "hypermen" nonsense.
Let this come as no surprise to you (I'm quite sure that it doesn't), but Calvinists know that God uses MEANS to accomplish His sovereign will concerning the salvation of His elect. These MEANS include: the Gospel; sinful men and the foolishness of preaching; the prayers of these sinful men; and a host of contingencies to accomplish His election.
Why, then, would you pray against the means God is using?

(BTW, not being a 5-pointer does not mean I am an Arminian. I'm neither. It's a false dichotomy invented by men.)


News Item6/19/09 4:13 PM
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Post Haste wrote:
Mr. Dispy
I think the best option is to TRUST IN GOD for my ability to serve HIM by Grace, Faith and in the Spirit. It's the *ONLY* way!
BTW Who is in charge of your sinful existence and contrary flesh. I hope it's not YOU!! Watch out for the Rom 11:16-22 Warning!!
Oh no, I have given up hope of ever reforming my flesh, which is why I'm so thankful to be out from under the law, since it kills, but our Lord Jesus is gracious and gives life.

The warning there is for the unregenerate, though, don't you think? I certainly continue to examine myself to see whether I am in the faith, nor do I think I have already attained, but I have assurance and know that my eternal life has already begun, so I cannot lose it.


News Item6/19/09 3:35 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
It's men like him who are leading HUGE congregations of sinners down paths towards perdition by preaching a false gospel.
I thought election meant (for Calvinists, anyway) that what some pastor does has no impact on whether someone would be saved....? Are you now saying that some element of human will might enter into salvation? (I certainly hope not - I don't want your hypermen colleagues to turn on you with imprecatory prayers for apostasizing!)

News Item6/19/09 2:14 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
Context is indeed determinative.
However, there are certain fundamental Biblical truths, certain inviolable laws, certain absolutes concering the Will of God which permeate ALL contexts of Scripture and which transcend ALL dispensations, *Mr. Dispy.*
And one of those absolutes is that God always wants us to pray for the destruction of the ungodly?

News Item6/19/09 1:27 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
The essence of all prayer: the one who prays expressing a "coming into alignment and agreement" with the will of God. "THY will be done" underlies ALL genuine prayer.
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Now see if you can find God's WILL in the following passages of Scripture:
"I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment." [Eze 34:16]
"Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD." [Amos 9:8]
If one prays that God "destroy the fat and the strong and that God destroy the sinful kingdom off the face of the earth" and such praying sounds imprecatory, then so be it ... God's will be done!
DJC49, was this God's will for all people everywhere for all time, or for the specific people in these specific passages to whom they were addressed?

I think this is the nub of the whole imprecatory prayer issue: how should we interpret the Bible? Is it applicable to whomever I choose, or do I have to think carefully about the context?


News Item6/19/09 12:57 PM
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Post Haste wrote:
John this liberal penchant you have for dismissing the Old Testament is rather disconcerting for BIBLE Believers.
John read Deut 28:15ff

Is God immutable John???

I hope you are keeping the whole law - otherwise you will soon experience God's wrath!

That day will be very unpleasant for all who pretend to keep the law - unpleasant for them, not for those of us who are counting on God's grace and mercy because of our total reliance on Jesus' atonement and nothing else.

You will not have the option of saying, "Lord, I kept this part of the law, but not that, since it was changed (in a minor way) by the Minor Changes Testament."

Here's a minor change for you and the other covenanter Pharisees to consider from Galatians:

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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"For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
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"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."


News Item6/18/09 4:51 PM
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Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
As An Authorized Biblical LITERALIST & Pre-Tribulaiton/Millenial RAPTURE Dispensationalist--I'm In 100% Agreement With "Mr. Dispy" On Historic Judeo-Christian Biblical-Literalist Dispensationalism.
Albeit, I Reject/Renounce ALL Forms Of "Hyper-Dispensationalism"; Which Would DENY My Personal Judeo-Christian RIGHT To Imprecatory Prayers Against The Avowed Enemies (Spiritual & Physical) Of The Authorized Holy Bible's GOD, Christ & Saints ! ! !
Where does the Bible describe your "right" to imprecatory prayers?

My Bible says, "For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men."

To the extent that we assert our right to this or that, to just that extent we deny Christ's right to do with us as he pleases. Are not all your rights forfeited for the great benefit of serving Christ?

And if that is true, where in the Bible does Christ command us to utter imprecatory prayers against our enemies?


News Item6/18/09 4:13 PM
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Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
The Old Testament Isn't The Only Place In The Authorized Holy Bible-Scriptures Where "Imprecatory Prayers" Are Mentioned, Utilized Or Used;
As They Are ALSO Mentioned, Utilized Or Used In The New Testament:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held..." Revelation 6:9-14
Now we're on the other end of the problem from the one mentioned in the attached article - wrong dispensation again (a future dispensation known as 'the great tribulation'), wrong group of people (saints in heaven, which includes none of us, yet, at least in the physical sense, though we dwell with him in the heavenlies).

Of course, the amilleniallists (mostly Roman Catholics and covenanters) will say that this imprecatory prayer has already been uttered, apparently during the siege of Jerusalem by Titus, although they get a little fuzzy (get it? "fuzzy"!) when pressed for details of what such passages mean, since it's hard to fit with the historical details of what happened in AD 70, yet too detailed to convincingly press into their usual symbolic or spiritualized mold reserved for such problems.


News Item6/18/09 2:03 PM
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THE Covenant wrote:
"..a part of that COVENANT that was made between the three blessed Persons BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."
I have nothing against covenants, you know. This particular covenant is wonderful! Please notice that it is a covenant between the three persons of the Godhead, and does not include any men at all (although it affects all men, since God is who He is).

My question for "THE Covenant" (cute name!) is, is this the only covenant made by God in the Bible (whether in the "Substitute 'Church' For 'Israel' Testament" or the "Minor Changes Testament")?

Overcomer wrote:
.. apparently going down the trail of free will versus election
I thought we were discussing the root of the problem: covenant theology versus Christianity!

[QUOTE]Wouldn't the comforting Psalms, such as Psalm 23, be null and void if the imprecatory Pslams are?In what sense? They are still God's Word so they "shall stand forever, and are "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Do good works include cursing your enemies? (Hint: See Mt. 5.44, Lk 6.28, Ro 12.14 in the MCT.)


News Item6/18/09 9:25 AM
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truthbetold wrote:
But Paul shows in these two chapters that the "seed of Abraham" is Christ, and that they who are Christ's (and no one else) are "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise"...(C.D.Alexander)
Abraham knew nothing about the law, neither did his seed or son; yet they could not deny that Abraham got the blessing. So that here he stands on a new ground. It is not only that souls which have faith will get the blessing, but why not have faith in the law too? The latter part of the chapter takes up this question, and shows that God has given promises; and the question is, how to reconcile God's law with His promises. What did He give these two things for? Were they meant to produce the same end? Were they on the same principle? The Holy Ghost settles these questions. "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed; which is Christ." Here it is plain, that the allusion is to two distinct and signal occasions in Abraham's history. These two occasions were first to Abraham alone; (Gen. 12 and secondly, to Isaac, or rather in Isaac alone. (Gen. 22) In the last chapter, both the numerous seed and the single seed are referred to. (W. Kelly)

News Item6/17/09 7:30 PM
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truthbetold wrote:
In one sentence Paul destroys the entire dispensational, pre-millennial and post-millennial edifice.
So the one whom the Spirit primarily used to reveal the great mystery of the new dispensation then destroys the whole thing in one sentence!

How do you interpret that favorite chapter of the Frozen Chosen, Romans 9? For example, what did Paul mean when he said:

"Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (v. 4)? (Maybe this is one place in the Minor Changes Testament where we ought to read 'Church' for 'Israel'?)

But then he uses 'seed' again - whatever shall we make of this? Did he contradict what he'd said in Galatians? One word can't be used two different ways, depending on context, can it?

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

Maybe all that stuff about the Gentiles in v. 24ff was just a minor change. You keep the law - I can't.


News Item6/17/09 4:55 PM
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fuzzy logic wrote:
Gil Rugh is a heretic!
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With study and prayer, this Satanic view of eschatology can be refuted.
Do a lot of studying and praying there in your lab, fuzzy?

News Item6/17/09 4:11 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
Please explain what the Church ("ekklesia") is doing in the Wilderness as mentioned in Acts 7:38 by Stephen via Luke --
"This is he, that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us"
Thanks again.
The assembly or congregation (per the Reformers latest version, ESV) referred to here was the assembly / congregation / church (small 'c') there in the wilderness. They were the ekklesia - the 'called out ones' - because they were the ones called out of Egypt. They were the elect, if you will; the ones God chose; the people of Israel.

The modifier 'in the wilderness' tells us which assembly the Spirit is referring to - that one there in the wilderness - in distinction to the one God was then calling out from all the nations of the world, including Israel, during this age of grace.

Hope this helps!


News Item6/17/09 2:51 PM
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Tyree wrote:
"Was the Psalmist/author of the imprecatory psalms one of God's elect?"
Excuse me for jumping in here, dear dele, but I can't resist.

Yes, the psalmists are God's elect.

No, they are not members of the Church ("ekklesia") referred to in the Minor Changes Testament. Neither is Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Elisha, David, Ezra, Isaiah, Daniel, or anyone else in the Substitute 'Church' For 'Israel' Testament.

Christ is not their Head, and they are not the Body; Christ is not their Bridegroom, and they are not the Bride. Christ is their King, and they are His People.

Get it?


News Item6/17/09 2:42 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
2 Thess 3:1,2
": AND that we may be DELIVERED FROM UNREASONABLE AND WICKED **MEN** "
Which, in the original Minor Changes Testament language, means, "God, I want you to deliver me from these wicked men by breaking their teeth, and smiting their cheekbones, and making their children fatherless!"

See, God needs help from the covenanters. In fact, he can't save them unless THEY covenant with HIM (instead of the other way around, like poor deluded Dispies think, who see God's covenant with Abraham in Genesis 15 as a type of the covenant made when Jesus saves them. God put Abraham to sleep, so I guess he wasn't able to covenant with God either.)

(But one might say, "Wait, isn't that contrary to 'Total Depravity'?" Such impertinence is not to be countenanced! Now the Overcome will have to imprecate you!)

You can read all about it in the only copy of the 'Q' manuscript still extant, preserved in Westminster Abbey ever since the ten northern tribes who emigrated to Britain deposited it there. But until those who have replaced Israel have brought the entire earth under their subjection so that Jesus can return, we Dispies will still be free to make distinctions between law and grace.


News Item6/17/09 9:09 AM
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Pastor Tom wrote:
So... why do we ignore the Old Words pointing to Jesus and only accept the New Words pointing back to Jesus??
I don't think there is any dispute about that. The problem seems to be the confusion of Israel with the Church, and the fact that God deals with the nation Israel differently than with any other people, and with the Church differently than the nation Israel.

This can be detected by asking when the Church began. If you say with Adam, you are a covenanter. If you say Acts 1:8, you are a Christian.

Perhaps the terms "Old Testament" and "New Testament" were used because it was too difficult or unwieldy in Greek to refer to them as the "Substitute 'Church' For 'Israel' (But Only When It Refers To Blessings and Good Promises) Testament" ("SCFIT" for short) and the "Minor Changes Testament" ("MCT").

Barry from KY wrote:
Mr. Dispy, you are trying to convince a bunch of people that say they are followers of Christ, except when it's more convenient to fall back on the OT for their own vindication. Any time a "christian" calls for assassination, is wrong. The "tea baggers" will never understand that!!!
I am not trying to convince them of anything. That's the Holy Spirit's job.

News Item6/16/09 3:30 PM
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In Covenant. wrote:
The NT made minor changes to the development of the Covenant.
The NT did not nullify the Covenant in any way.
If the changes were minor, why isn't it called "The Minor Changes Testament" instead of "The New Testament"?

And of course the Old Covenant isn't nullified by the New; rather, they are separate but related, with the Old providing types and shadows for the New. Its ultimate fulfillment is yet future, when Israel repents.

John wrote:

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

Paul also taught,

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest..."

Minor changes, indeed.


News Item6/15/09 4:36 PM
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Overcomer wrote:
A dispensationalist would surely say it's psychotic.
Actually, it is not psychotic; it is ignorant, or worse. There's a difference.

The Psalms are there for our edification, certainly, but that does not mean those of us under the dispensation of grace may avail ourselves of all the prayers of David and the other psalmists that the Holy Spirit preserved.

Galatians is a good book for covenanters to consider, since Paul addresses the basis of most of their errors there. We are not under law, we are under grace. The law is not a 'guide for life' as the covenanters would have us believe.

If it's imprecation you want, consider that Paul said that those who teach another gospel (i.e., "we're still under the law") are accursed (Gal. 1:6-9).


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Yet another symptom of the birth pangs of the coming judgment of Christ.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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