Pikestaff wrote:
Precisely!!!
That is why Faith - IS the gift of God.
Eph 2:8.
In the Reformed camp, the order of salvation is
1) election, 2) predestination, 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)

Subsequently, according to Galatians 5:22, faith is listed as a fruit of the Holy Spirit and is produced and generated by the Holy Spirit. It is not produced as a work of the flesh in regard to faith in the spiritual realm.

Mike wrote:
Actually, salvation is THE gift of God. But weve been through this before.

Pikestaff wrote:
Sorry Mike, I have to say you are wrong. Faith is the gift of God which includes the ability to overcome sin.

How do you justify your response in light of Romans 6:23 which says "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Salvation begins with the sovereign will and purpose of God. According to His good pleasure He quickens and regenerates those whom He had chosen before the foundation of the world. He sent His only begotten Son to fulfill the law of righteousness to redeem them from their bondage of sin and death. He purchased their salvation to the shedding of His precious blood on the cross of Calvary. They are regenerated and the chains of sin have been loosed by the power of God to set them free. Gd restored their ability to flee to him in repentance and faith to the salvation of their souls.

coora wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why Gal 2:16 reads "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ....." in the AV but in the ESV ".... but through faith in Jesus Christ....."
These seem to say different things. In the AV the faith is Christ's given to us for justification, but in the ESV it is our faith that we exercise.

kenny wrote:
I agree with Alan H.
Why in the world would you combine the KJV & the NKJV? They are not the same by any stretch of the imagination.

ENGINEER wrote:
Of course, now that the VERY SAME
'scholars' who gave the NIV have replaced it with the TNIV, it is silly to tell anyone to use the outdated NIV,
which was already corrupt.

Girl wrote:
I agree with women wearing hats and/or covering in church, but I don't agree that it's to show their 'subjection to men'. It is to show they are under the authority AND protetion of either their father or thier husband, and certainly not ALL MEN as is implied here. Women may be subject to A man, but not ALL men, otherwise we would end up like the catholics, who teach their women that whatever the priest says for you to do must be right, and you cannot do wrong in doing it. This opens a very dangerous door, to my mind.

You made a very excellent point. The scripture teaches that the wives are to be under the authority of THEIR OWN husbands, not all men in general just as husbands are to LOVE THEIR OWN wives. Your first and foremost authority as well as the men is to God himself and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Head of the church.

I have found that most fundamentalist men, baptist in particular, treat ALL women like they are second rate and should submit to ALL men, not just their own husbands.