James Thomas wrote:
I think your timeline is a bit off.
Jer 29:4
4Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, unto all that are carried away captives, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem unto Babylon;
Jer 29:14
14And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
Sound like Isaiah 11? Read on and you will see the better promises found in Jer 31:33.

Adriel wrote:
You forgot to look at the next verse, JohnFor.
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
They were "born of God."
NOT human intervention.
And remember:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, ACCORDING to the good pleasure of HIS WILL,"
God provides the "power to receive" (V12)
John 6:44 NO MAN can come to me, EXCEPT the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

James Thomas wrote:
Right,
So do you see that "The second time" reference in Isaiah 11:11 refers to simply the Lord setting His hand yet a second time in the land of Egypt to bring them out again?

danfromtenn wrote:
Amen John UK and Adriel. One does not have the capability of hearing the Gospel until he has been born again (from above). He does not have Life (with a capital L) until then.

“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:14-17‬

James Thomas wrote:
I'm not sure your following my point. So let me rephrase for clarity.
My point is that "the second time" is referring to the Lord setting His hand...
1ST Time was in Egypt.
Ex 13:3
And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place:
Second time was in Egypt/Assyria etc. to deliver the remnant.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time....
Does that make sense?

James Thomas wrote:
I've been pondering this and I believe I see our disconnect in all this J4J. Lets take a look again at these two verses which I've abbreviated to demonstrate a point.
Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time...
Zech 10:10 I will bring them **again**also out of the land of Egypt**, and gather them out of Assyria...
Is it possible that the "second time" reference and the "again" refers to simply the Lord setting His hand yet a second time in the land of Egypt to bring them out yet again?
I believe it is.
If you don't see it to be plausible, what would be your reasoning?

I’m concerned with the remnant. It would appear Israel is referred to that only after they were driven out of the Promised Land and scattered.

“So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.”
‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭30:6‬

We must believe to be saved. Belief doesn’t warrant or earn salvation. Jesus alone completed the work and God graciously gives it to us when we believe. God has commanded us to believe, we must obey Him or face the consequences.

2) Sure, dead people can’t believe. However, they cannot sin either. Therefore, everyone would be innocent if that was the case, which it is not. Death is a term to explain our separation from God. We are dead to Him.

3) God chose those who are in Christ to be holy and blameless before Him. Only believers are in Christ! This says nothing about God making people believe.

4) We know God will take care of those who love Him because of how He treated the Jews in the past who believed in Him.

“God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:2‬

James Thomas wrote:
There's a few problems with your idea that the nation was created after Egypt, J4J.
First off, where in Scripture can you say that narrative is written?

Secondly, Those that were delivered from Egypt were God's people before going into to Egypt. Here is one narrative which very specifically says that Israel came into Egypt so therefore they were a people(nation) before entering.

Psalm 105:23 **Israel also came into Egypt**; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
24And he increased his people greatly; and made them stronger than their enemies.
25He turned their heart to hate his people, to deal subtilly with his servants.
26He sent Moses his servant; and Aaron whom he had chosen.

Mike wrote:
What would you do without the "secret" call? You gotta love a good mystery.

James Thomas wrote:
Would you want to share from Scripture how you arrived at what your thinking?
And yes....it would matter.
If not. That's fine too.

James Thomas wrote:
Great. Glad you are.
Establishing when will be the next stop.
Can we now say we have established that the first was indeed Egypt and the second is being spoken of in the narrative of Deut. 29-30 as well as Isa. 11:11?

James Thomas wrote:
Hey J4J,
I'm considering your question, I can't find any other examples other than this one and its clearly Egypt.
Ex 13:3
And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place:
I did take a look to see what Matthew Henry
Had to say and he agrees. Here is his short quote on Isaiah 11:11.
This is said to be a recovery of them the second time (v. 11), such an instance of the power and goodness of God, and such a reviving to them, as their first deliverance out of Egypt was.
Does that help?

Adriel...