John for JESUS wrote: I think there are Jews who are descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
.... what happens when they don't believe then? you see, at this point, a man is dying in his sins, a piece of land that everyone's fighting for is irrelevant. I am fully in the New Covenant, would a Jewish convert be any less, because Christ turned to his Jewish disciples and told them not to stay in the land and fight off the Romans, but rather to go the ends of the earth for the gospel.
I think all Christians are martyrs, laying down their lives for the gospel as Christ died for them....
"Vatican detectives analysed the PC Wesolowski used in his office in Santo Domingo, where he served as Holy See envoy from 2008 to 2012 as part of an investigation into the alleged sexual abuse of underage boys."
It is strange how often we see this sort of thing, and it remains in the sexual abuse category. Though that be true, why isn't the homosexuality underneath it all ever dealt with?
Penned my friend about your 10/1/14 8:48 AM comment:
1 Corinthians 14:3 KJV
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Your comment has slipped in so much confusion into this thread that it is hard to describe it all. You managed to bring in this confusion by applying a term, "coming war with Russia" that you have seen me use thus indicating you are dealing with the same thing as I am.
Your points on several levels don't make sense. Because God is not the author of confusion I am going to ignore you until God, if He will, allows you to make a comment in this thread that does not cause so much confusion in this thread.
I am willing to tolerate a little confusion caused by you for your sake because I know that Christ died on the cross for you and loved you at calvary (though I know some don't believe that).
I still think him and Obama are our two worst presidents, ever. I wonder from the works he has done does he really love America? Even though he did good for America by serving his country, still. After 6 yrs. In the service Lieutenant Carter earned one of the most coveted posts in the Navy. Senior officer of the USS Seawolf, on the Vanguard of America's defense program. USS Seawolf was one of the first two nuclear submarines. Dec.12, 1952. A nuclear reactor in Chalk River, Canada suffers a meltdown. Carter is a member of the team dispatched to the site.Dec.12,1952. Admittedly, Obama is not even in the ballgame there but as President, known by most as the worst, until Obama. As a Christiian, he has done so much harm with his out spoken views on this issue. How can anyone view christainty as different from the world when we talk and act like the world. You are not helping the sinner by condoning their sins.
John for JESUS wrote: Pennned... I was talking about the actual, physical nation of Israel
BIG John4 I know, I know I am interrupting but I have a reason to ....
Let me ask you a question I am not trying to be funny but to touch on something enormously important for all of us
Do you want to be a martyr?
Now you may have little comprehension in where I am coming from in asking this, so please allow me to explain. The Gospel Plowboys sing a song with a longing of looking upon the face of the One who died to save me by His grace...Do we have this kind of longing?
Would we, or do we long to be so faithful and fruitful in our service to Jesus Christ, that we know the world and the devil want to literally kill us and that would be okay with us if it meant the world knowing Jesus Christ is WORTHY of dying for, and that the worst agonizing death is TOO SMALL A PRICE to belong to Him?
Rapture or not, do we love Jesus so much we long to see Him?
Honestly imho some who believe in the rapture are more interested in escaping pain then in seeing Him and for other the JOY will be in seeing Him, whom they love to serve with everyting that is in them here now.
a holy nation a peculiar people a royal priesthood
and I would encourage any person of Jewish heritage to read Isaiah 53 and ask them, is there anything besides tradition that is stopping them from turning to Jesus Christ, the Messiah of the world who came to us through the Jews?
But even they must repent.
To teach anything else is to put the curtain in the temple right back up and reverse the work of the Holy Spirit to bring a people together.
What is this wind that has come upon the church that insists on dividing what GOd has joined together according to His lovingkindness and eternal purposes?
WE MUST GET BACK TO LOVING GOD AND PUTTING HIM FIRST!!!
(the rest) The group has standards that each member has to adhere to. They must be saved. This is first and foremost. You have to know what you are singing about. They must attend church. They must maintain a neat appearance. Though we strive hard to have great musicianship as well as great three and four part harmonies, it all really comes down to this, good Christian first, good musician second. It is our prayer that we can get ourselves in a position where God can use us to touch others. We desire your prayers as we try our best to fulfill our phrase: "Plowing the ground, planting the seed....that Christ died for you"
Pennned... I was thinking about the city of Jerusalem, the land, and most of all the people of Israel, descendents of Abraham. The people have been preserved even when the land God granted to them has been taken away, but I think of Israel as those three things.
some are promoting the "coming war with Russia" which is being provoked by a fascist regime in Ukraine and funding of jihadists and genociding of Christians in ME.
because, 8 trillion debt a year.
this is about currency, world powers and world banks.
and they have everything to gain by a world wore. Russia doesn't need it, they are the new economy and building it on economics and treaties.
The American people will hold the bag and life will never be the same here.
all they need is to keep us wanting the wores. false flags get the people to beg for them. the new economy then will be there.
the problem we have is us.
evidenced by the big players like this article who's wealth outpowers some whole nations and they use that money to build the eugenics agenda 21 world (remember ICLE coming into cities?). you know he has a seed bank, so he'll have access to the seed wiped out by the gm crisis? -- common core started by national sexuality standards. he brings vaccines and reproductive services to depopoulate Africa, as well as converting their farms to gms, brings cc to this country.
and what is putin doing? working with the orthodox church to keep the homosexual agenda and parades from taking over.... some compare it to the bolshevics.
Pennned... I was talking about the actual, physical nation of Israel and the descendents of promise. It seems to me God would not forsake the people of Israel any more than He would forsake believers. He still made separate promises to her that will be realized when all Israel is saved.
Christopher000 wrote: much different than the garage plowboys...ha-ha.
Christopher000 Whoa! I think you might have missed something enormously significant in their Christmas Gathering with the 'garage plowboys' (part of the reason I choose the videos I did)
Our Mission The Gospel Plowboys is a bluegrass gospel group that is taking the approach of being a music ministry to spread the good news of Jesus Christ and His saving grace. It is by His shed blood that we are saved. We are based out of Safe Harbor Baptist Church in Salisbury N.C. Pastor Rick Perry of Safe Harbor is my pastor. He has been involved since the very conception of the group. It was after years of prayer ( right at two to be exact )that the group was formed. We dress in denim bib overalls, white shirts and red ties. These are the colors of Old Glory of course, but it goes further than that. It is in tribute to the 30's that we do this. Bluegrass style music was becoming popular. Our great country had terrible problems, much as it has now! Our country prospered and grew back then. The difference from then and now, we loved God then and was willing to put Him first. That just is not the case now. WE MUST GET BACK TO LOVING GOD AND PUTTING HIM FIRST!!!
1517 wrote: Its blaspheming God, not the acceptance of homosexuality that is diabolical about his statement. He ascribes the endorsement of evil to Lord Christ.
I feel this is on the coattails of so many churches offering Open Communion. Jimmy heard that at the table ALL are accepted and none would be turned away so often, he really thinks everyone is despite their lifestyle. Like Judah and Israel, he has fallen in love with his own false righteousness
Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Ezekiel 16:16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
Ezekiel 16:17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, .. Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
John for JESUS wrote: Does anyone preach the Resurrection anymore? Do the people who believe that God has forsaken Israel also believe they can be lose their salvation? John UK... John, good one! One does mean one, lol.
your first question is core to Christianity itself.
YOur second question does not define the term Israel -- for God has one people that He has saved. He has expanded the reach of the gospel to the world, and there is no animosity between Jew and Gentile in the body of Christ. Rather the question you should be asking is if in the end times God required true believers to have land crusades disrupting societies for a second obsolete covenant that does not save. and for that ask all your rapturist friends, they will be the first to send your sons and daughters to Armageddon and center God's time table over a piece of land (heretical teaching) that will be part of the final judgment per 1 Peter as will the whole world laden by sin. You might read the end of revelations to find the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven at the end not the other way around. What if the church has been building the wrong kingdom all along, and every beheaded Christian through Syria and Iraq is a testimony?