SteveR wrote:
When such a large group of people believe land grabbing murderous unbelievers are GODs people, and Christians of Apostolic Churches like the RCC are not, I cant chalk that up to simple stupidity...thats perdition

Dopey wrote:
Michael, I notice that you say,"John UK, Christopher000, Dolores" while I say, "John UK, Christopher000, Jim Lincoln from Nebraska, Dolores"
Did you ever read this Michael when reading your Bible?:
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.--Proverbs 18:13 KJV
What is your next nonsensical statement Michael? That I deliberately held something back so that I could trap you?

SteveR wrote:
1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Dopey wrote:
Ahem the following is for you, if you can understand any of it, which I doubt:
"Delight is not seemly for a fool; much less for a servant to have rule over princes."--Proverbs 19:10 KJV
"Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools."-- Proverbs 19:29 KJV
"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"--Matthew 7:1-3

Dopey wrote:
Continued from 11/18/14 8:58 PM

The door between me and Mormon women has been opened by God and it may depend on staying open by the prayers of people at SermonAudio. Perhaps God is testing some people at SermonAudio to see if their time there is just a way to kill time or they are involved in much more serious adjendas such as praying for Mormon women who are currently on their way to hell for they truly are on that road.
Perhaps God is in the process of seperating spiritual wheat from spiritual chaff at SermonAudio for a soon to happen appearance at the judgement seat of Christ? Are you striving to hear "well done" or something else. This may be a last minute chance to hear "well done" for people who will spend some serious time praying for Mormon women and Mormon men for that matter instead of laughing at them like some comments currently do in this thread.

Maybe God is telling you that you don't belong here, but you're not so good at listening, being the troll that you are.

SteveR wrote:
Master of obvious basic doctrine, oblivious to the truth and seduced by conspiracies of fear & hate
A poor combination

Galatians 5:7-12

Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. .....I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Jude 1:3,4

SteveR wrote:
Amen Dolores

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 Cor 11:13-14

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

2 Pet 2:1-3

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Dolores wrote:
MS,...I have His Holy Spirit to guide me in all truths, to be my helper, teacher, paralegal is what He called along beside me to help me not be led astray. I don't really need your advice it maybe wrong after all.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

In all the perils the apostle faced, read the last he mentions:

2 Cor 11:25-26

Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among FALSE BRETHREN...

GSTexas wrote:
Why do presbys slander others in the name of the truth?

Mike wrote:
There is nothing in his comment on v10 that contradicts what he said about v9 in reference to the gift to which v8 speaks....

So when dealing with verse 8, yes he says that faith is not the gift being referred to in that verse.

But when he comes to verse 10 and to the words "For we are his workmanship.." he deals with the issue of free will, which is why I pointed you to it. In his explanation he makes it absolutely clear "He does not say that the power of choosing aright is bestowed upon us, and that we are afterwards left to make our own choice. Such is the idle talk in which those persons who do their utmost to undervalue the grace of God are accustomed to indulge. But the apostle affirms that we are God’s work, and that everything good in us is his creation"

IOW, in Calvin's view even though v8 does not refer to faith as a gift, v10 indicates that since we have no free will, even the power of choosing, the will to come is given by God, "For we are his workmanship..".

Mike wrote:
It might be proper to deal with what Calvin said about Eph 2:9 before running off to another verse, don't you think?

Mike wrote:
Not quite again. Salvation is the gift referred to in v8, affirmed by v9.
9. "Not of works. Instead of what he had said, that their salvation is of grace, he now affirms, that “it is the gift of God.” 124 Instead of what he had said, “Not of yourselves,” he now says, “Not of works.” Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation. In these three phrases, — not of yourselves, — it is the gift of God, — not of works, — he embraces the substance of his long argument in the Epistles to the Romans and to the Galatians, that righteousness comes to us from the mercy of God alone, — is offered to us in Christ by the gospel, — and is received by faith alone, without the merit of works." John Calvin

What does nor of the will of the flesh mean?

get real wrote:
so ... everyone agree with everyone lets have that beige world where the only flavor is vanilla and truth is off white ...
how many hugboxes do you own?

Let me help. Read the following words from Christopher's original post:

.....Without them, everyone can talk, agree, and disagree in very civil manners as is being evidenced within several threads....

It is civility, void of rancor that Christopher was addressing.. AND THEN you came on the scene to spoil it.

I think we can safely put you in the second camp that Christopher spoke of:

Christopher000 wrote:
I think it's amazing how some can be so thoroughly divisive, judge and condemn, name call, etc, etc, and all the while infer that everyone else is deluded and lost.

John UK wrote:
It does not say anything about these not continuing.

penny wrote:
TC, you might reconsider this:
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."
1 Corinthians 12:7

1517 wrote:
Ahem,
Got it. We are responsible before God for knowing his word, no doubt. But, it is silly as well to assume that the early church had personal copies of scriptures. In fact, the early church were living while the letters were written, therefore needed someone to rightly teach what they received. But, regardless, as it continues to happen on this forum, some discussions end up a mud slinging "you're dumb and arrogant", "silly", or "without understanding" exercise. See you in the next grudge match.

As for name calling, I posted after I saw your comment, and thought that your comment was arrogant. Looking through the posts you have been extremely personal in your attacks while others have been attacking the erroneous teaching of the Reformers and their children.

I shall not be engaging you again. I can see no good coming of it. In fact from your last comment, I can see that you are fractious and spoiling for a fight. Maybe this was your motivation for posting in the first place!

1517 wrote:
Ahem,
Joining the conversation late. I hold to SCRIPTURE ALONE as the standard and have repeatedly stated we are to be Bereans and search the word.

We are all personally responsible before God for what we believe and excusing ourselves by saying our teachers got it wrong, when we have the Bible in our hands won't wash but just demonstrate how lazy and irresponsible we have been with God's truth!

A great many people have tried to say the same thing to you, but you are either not reading with care or you have problems understanding.

I've even gone back to your first post to see why you started this, and I cannot see any justification for your response to Observer.

Anyway, I am bowing out.

Your contention has been that we need teachers because the Scriptures are so difficult that without teachers we would all be running amuck. Pretty much the old Roman Catholic idea that without someone to rightly interpret the Bible the ignorant masses cannot be trusted with the Word of God.

From this bottom line you then contend that we have in the Reformers the pre-eminent God approved, God ordained servants who must be allowed to lay the foundation of our faith.