Election or not, are toddlers held accountable for their sins of lying? Or, adolescents held accountable for stealing a candy bar while shopping with mom? There has to be accountability for God to judge, whether of the elect or not, or the lost and damned. If one can't be held accountable for their sins, how can there be judgement? There must be an age of reasoning when God begins to hold each one of us responsible for our actions...accountability.
Mike wrote: There is no legal reason to obey Obama on this. He has no authority to order it. No power to enforce it. Federal money comes from the legislative branch, not the executive. He's just reaching into his overflowing garbage can and throwing whatever he can grab against the wall to see if it sticks. The people and the States are perfectly within THEIR authority to reject it for the trash it is. This emperor really does have no clothes.
Yes Mike and even if it was legal, but biblically immoral, then we shouldn't obey to the best of our abilities. I say that because I am called to pay taxes, but I have no real say so over where those tax dollars go.
Mike, the physical site of a church is served by utilities, services such as police and fire, etc. So, it's only because of the political power, and sometimes because of the perceived good that religious organizations provide they are exempt from property tax. This is also why I would assume why salaries of pastors are somewhat protected from view. Also because they and religious workers can opt out of benefits from the Federal government other people can't.
So, Mike, you might not believe that no one should have to pay property taxes -- I sure don't like it, but that's how some services are maintained.
One of the worst land-grabbers in Lincoln is the University of Nebraska which has either grabbed land that could went for something that could be on the tax roll or taken land off that was on the tax roll.
So, churches certainly aren't the only offenders in Lincoln.
John UK wrote: I'm with you on that, GS. Those who hold to an age of accountability, it is unlikely they would also hold to the doctrines of original sin, imputed sin, or total depravity. Well actually, it would be impossible to hold those doctrines.
Okay John, then what you are saying is that if someone murders 100 people and someone tells a lie or is born, they are both the same. Total depravity means that without Christ it is impossible to please a perfectly righteous and holy triune God, but boy are you ever adding to that concept.
Now even you can't speak for "all" of the rest of us and the way we interpret total depravity. So let me just say in a final sort of way that it is certainly "possible" for others to differ from you. I believe in original sin, our imputed sinful nature and total depravity.
GSMontana wrote: I don't believe in an age of accountability. One is either of the election or not.
I'm with you on that, GS. Those who hold to an age of accountability, it is unlikely they would also hold to the doctrines of original sin, imputed sin, or total depravity. Well actually, it would be impossible to hold those doctrines.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.---ESV
Now, it will be somewhat harder for many of the Pentecostal types since they have been inoculated against the true Gospel. In either case let's hope some from either group comes out those groups. It's entirely possible.
There is no legal reason to obey Obama on this. He has no authority to order it. No power to enforce it. Federal money comes from the legislative branch, not the executive. He's just reaching into his overflowing garbage can and throwing whatever he can grab against the wall to see if it sticks. The people and the States are perfectly within THEIR authority to reject it for the trash it is. This emperor really does have no clothes.
Penny, sometimes I think we don't hear about pastors who should leave but most of the dirt is swept under the rug. You would be surprised how often this isn't applied
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindlerâ€”not even to eat with such a one.---ESV
Dr. Rugh, was given plenty of time to prepare a sermon. Other pastors generally took care of visitations, marriages, and many of the other social functions.
Now, John MacArthur, has often had a full plate, and on occasion I think it shows.
I just looked up today, and you can get his Study Bible free as an Android app Now I think the free And Bible app with the jfb commentary would be equivalent. Also I'm not too happy with the size and intrusion that the MacArthur app has. Still it is free. As I said, but John turns back into the ministry I don't know. However, I do not believe that a pastor's salary is a private affair. You can say his job description determines that it isn't going to be- - if he's doing his job correctly.
Good question "...How can Christ come into any spiritual agreement with satan? " This is not so different from all of the other "Christian" celebrities/"evangelists" speaking out against issues like sodomy and transgenderism or abortion. They may be correct on an issue but as clouds without water practically speaking. Ultimately,the only difference that they make is rallying up others to elevate themselves.
One of the reasons for the change in our secular culture is ecumenicalism and this fellow is one that leads in that respect. So of course I agree with what this fellow said on this issue, but he has no spiritual significance. How can Christ be in any spiritual agreement with satan and then ask bible believing Christians to agree? That is what the Manhattan Declaration clearly called for.
In November 2009, Dobson signed an ecumenical statement known as the Manhattan Declaration
Once Pandora's Box has been opened, it can't be shut.
If any are unfamiliar with that document it basically said the catholicism and eastern orthodox christianity were in fact part of God's family.