Lisa wrote:
When I was truly born again I did not need any conviction from the flesh of man- true salvation must be of the spirit. Being truly born again is a terrible experience and standing before god as a hell bound sinner cannot be induced by a man. If you read of revivals you will see that men were stopped in their tracts by the supernatural power of god and they came in repentance to the churches begging-what must I do to be born again. Can I say it again- when I was truly born again I could hardly speak for at least 24 hours....I sat in my pastors kitchen and tried to make sense of it....to come to the realisation that I was indeed dead and no longer living. The gospel is the power of god. And yes we must affirm what our king feels on these matters, but much ( o dear how much you will never know) am I forgiven. How could I go around pointing the finger and whipping others with nettles. It is I that deserve the nettles....

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
...sometimes I am asked how come Christians who claim to believe the Bible have so many different opinions regarding future things. The issue is how do we interpret the bible. The beginning point is very simple, God created us to communicate with one another and with him verbally. And so it's just foundational as we talk about interpreting the scripture that we follow certain basic principles of language and communication. And when we depart from that, we bring in confusion.

It's one thing to disagree on theology or fact, but you seem to want to belittle the qualities that make men what they are...

these orgy parades are aggressive and unacceptable behavior on the streets of any society, it wreaks of chaos, perversions and abuse of the innocent.

SteveR wrote:
Agree with what you sense Lisa, its here
Its important to notice how they handle Scripture. Do they handle it as a Love Letter sent to them, or a battle manual & uniform they stole off a wounded soldier.

Nebraska which is hardly a liberal state, politically speaking or even morally speaking has a fairly high percentage of Catholics in this this state, their Senators in the state Unicameral and the liberal ones, may have had enough votes to overturn capital punishment (q.v., Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government that points out this is another Biblical issue.) They dumped this bill. One reason the Senators did this is the Nebr. Governor whose a conservative Republican but not Catholic would have vetoed it, and another reason carrying out the death penalty is winked at in this state again from the evil influence of the Romish Church. "Rome when in minority is as gentle as a lamb, when in equality is as clever as a fox, and when in the majority is as fierce as a tiger."

Lisa wrote:
Romans 12 vs 14 bless them that persecute you: bless and curse not ( in fact this whole chapter is informative).

Romans 12:19 KJV
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

This is the coming day of wrath, when God shall blast his enemies, and repay them for all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. Cast into hellfire, where is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Principles from scripture for giving indicate it is to be voluntary, regular, proportional, and bountiful. This grace giving is in recognition of all material and spiritual needs having been first given by God.

Lisa wrote:
The only person I know who used the book of Enoch without being convicted of god about it turned out to be a witch.

Get your brain in gear, Lisa. Please.

You asked about the non-canonical book of Enoch, and I quoted a verse from him which the apostles accepted was a prophecy of Enoch given by God. Now you can argue till your face goes blue, but the text in Jude IS canonical, and he quoted directly from the Book of Enoch.

As for the rest of the Enoch ms. I have no idea about that because I have not read it. The fact that it was not accepted within the canon is good enough for me, and I would never promote it as scripture nor authoritative. Except for the prophecy which Jude quoted, of course!

BTW, why does Enoch get a capital E and God gets a small g?