James Thomas wrote:
No one said they were not real churches. No one is opposing anythin US, I'm simply pointing out some cross references from different Scripture which all speak of the same event of which I referenced rev 3:12.
Here's another
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people
And another
Isa 62:2
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
If you don't think the Rev 3:12 is the same event in all of the other references I've given, why is that?
Thanks
Thanks for the good thought Mike. I'm still pondering it so I haven't been able to reply as of yet. Not looking for 12 rounds either but healthy sparring is a good thing.

The things which though have. Chapter 1

Things which are. Chapters 2&3

John Yurich USA wrote:
Naturally I only accept the Baptist doctrine of salvation that states salvation only comes by embracing Jesus as Lord and Savior and trusting in Jesus alone for salvation.

1. The tribe of Judah is represented in Revelation 7 as one of the tribes who has faithful witnesses

2. The whore in Revelation is said to be drunken with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus—Judah went out with the rest of Israel as a corporate entity in 70 A.D. and the nation (don’t know if Jews currently identify by tribes) didn’t make a come back until nearly 1900 years later. Lot of martyrs during that time period. Also no nations or kings could have committed fornication with her, she wasn’t around as a group of people identifying as Israel or Judah .

James Thomas wrote:
Out of the prophets bro, not out of the blue. What the prophets spoke are the witness, not my thoughts.
Rev 17:1 I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Jer 51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Jer 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Without addressing the verse in 2 Peter 1 I would say that for you to say the whore in Revelation in the same as God’s description of Israel is your own private interpretation. I would say if any O.T. passage fits what is in Revelation it would be Isaiah 47 (which you have cited) which talks about the Chaldeans. Much of the language is similar.

Christianity is not a let go and let God. We are commanded to strive, to fight, to mortify, to put off, to put on, to war against the flesh, to not make provision for it, to lay aside, to pray, to study, to meditate, to draw nigh to God, etc. These are all actions. We are what we by the grace of God, so there should be no self glorying

ladybug wrote:
NOT so fast, look what Paul says in Romans 7:19-"For the good that I desire, I do not do; but **the evil that I do not want, this I practice**". Look what I discovered when I looked at the original language on the word 'practice' - prássō, pras'-so; a primary verb; to "practise", i.e. perform *repeatedly or habitually*.  It's in the present tense as well, meaning it is 'ongoing'. Paul's usage of 'hate' in verse 15 doesn't refer to a loathing, or any emotion actually. Instead, the context better fits this definition-'renounce one choice in favor of another'. He renounces what is right for that which is wrong.
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Hebrews 12:14 is a command to pursue (follow) holiness.  This is not positional holiness but personal.   We know that because the verb is in present tense (already noted as a continual action) and active voice (the subject is the DOER of the action)