MG wrote:
No, "huh". I just don't see Scripturally how Christ's resurrection can/could change one of the 10 Commandments. There's no proof of a definitive Sunday resurrection either, so I still don't see how the Sabbath is one of GOD's apparent temporary ways of living - I've read it's for ALL generations!

MG wrote:
"Huh": He was possibly raised right at the end of a Saturday, just as it was "dawning" toward the first day of the week. This doesn't necessarily mean becoming light, but can mean the beginning of a day (dusk).
Even if He did rise on a Sunday, there's no reason that would change the fourth commandment.

MG wrote:
Acts 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
When you realise the Sabbath ends at sundown Saturday, then you also realise that this verse is talking about everyone meeting on the Sabbath (Saturday), and eagerly staying together into Saturday night (the first day of the week) until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Here we see that there was no thought of money on the Sabbath, so the first day of the week was the time to collect your money!
The Sabbath surely remains. Much of the NT explains the OT more deeply, but we need to be careful that we don't say that the NT is above the OT! It is GOD's Word, and His blueprint for righteous living should not be swept aside as not being valid for modern times.
Our Messiah said that not a jot or a tittle will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away! Look around and you'll notice that they haven't passed away yet!

FYI guy wrote:
low-income Americans ransacked stores, cleared shelves and then abandoned shopping carts filled with food.
who writes this stuff? do they ever go shopping? go during food stamp distribution times?
I have yet to see low income people ransack groceries, or clear shelves at food stamp time ...
when it is discovered your card does not work ,is embarrassing and people did leave their carts and cried as there would be no food for the kids ...

John for JESUS wrote:
Wet, wet, wet...
I believe these Gentiles were baptized in water. But what for? They already made a public profession of Christ by being baptized on the Holy Spirit. It seems to me this was part

rafael wrote:
how about marrying my dog my cat or a bird?

jpw wrote:
..Unprofitable Servant, I would be glad to hear your understanding of tongues in 1 Cor 14.

John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe salvation is important to go to Heaven after passing away. And I would be uncomfortable attending an Evangelical Protestant Church as I don't wish to communicate with anybody. I would sit in the back and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. And I do tell individuals on discussion forums that salvation is only by embracing Jesus as Lord and Savior.

post Pentecost wrote:
..The Reformed on the other hand, place Regeneration/born again - (indwelling after Christ's glorification) at a crucial and essential point placing the Holy Spirit indwelling - who THEN works faith in the heart of the elect after they are born again. This is the historic doctrine of the Reformed church from Paul's revelation in Romans 8, ad infinitum...

Surely you can find just one bible verse that clearly teaches indwelling prior to faith? Or just one reformed commentator who can expound a passage of scripture and show us this indwelling prior to faith?

Solafide wrote:
At what point did the OT believer, weekly synagogue-goer, sacrifice-carrying, annual Temple-attender become justified -- that is totally saved for all eternity?

Solafide wrote:
When these OT believers came empty-handed to the Temple but full of faith, was that enough?

There were sacrifices provided for the poor so that none should come empty handed.

So, do you have any examples of people of faith coming empty handed, or is this theoretical to make, what you consider, an important point, Mr Schwab?!

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coora

That article is complete and utter trash and a waste of everyone's time and effort. It is so full of lies and misrepresentation!!

All Aboard wrote:
Either you'll read history backward ending a Baptist biblicist;
Or read history forward ending an Evangelical Roman Catholic:
Any other denomination is a mere train station moving you toward one of these final destinations.

New religions wrote:
If this is Christianity, which religion represents its single unshattered mind?

Strenous disagreements exist in all sorts of spheres; science, philosophy, history etc. So would you, on the basis that students in these fields cannot represent "a single unshattered mind", deny their legitimacy as fields of study?

T of C wrote:
John 13:5 After that he poured water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Then he cometh unto Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord,dost thou wash my feet?...8b Jesus answered, if I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me....9b Lord, not my feet only but my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith unto him, he that is washed needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean every whit,and ye are clean but not all.
Hebrews 6:1b not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptism(s), and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead and of eternal judgment.
In both cases the origin words were addressed to Jewish believers in Christ.

Observer wrote:
The Westminster divines viewed baptism as the instrument and occasion of regeneration by the Spirit, of the remission of sins, of ingrafting into Christ (cf. 28.1). The Confession teaches baptismal regeneration.

***[5] TIT 3:5***
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Frank Dombrosky wrote:
THE KING JAMES BIBLE USES SUCH OBSOLETE WORDS. Actually, not that many. I find some of these same words in newspaper and magazine articles from time to time. (Ever heard of a dictionary?)

goanddolikewise wrote:
http://www.puritanboard.com/f48/does-regeneration-precede-faith-34371/

Since you did not say who you are, it is difficult to know what your contribution was to that discussion and hence your position on the issue.

Ugh wrote:
Here is an example of Spurgeon contradicting himself
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Both regeneration and faith occur in time simultaneously. However for hypercalvs. who might accuse Spurgeon of being an Arminian (and many did) he is quick to point out that if one thinks of cause and effect then the cause is regeneration and the effect faith.

CHSpurgeonfaiththegiftofGod wrote:
Do we agree with C H Spurgeon that faith is the gift of God and the result of the new birth? Just checking
At the same time, this faith, wherever it exists, is in every case, without exception, **the gift of God and the work of the Holy Spirit**. Never yet did a man believe in Jesus with the faith here intended, **except** the Holy Spirit led him to do so. **He has wrought all our works in us, and our faith too**
I do not find it difficult to believe **faith** to be at the same time the duty of man and **the gift of God**
Faith in the living God and his Son Jesus Christ is **always the result of the new birth**, and can never exist except in the regenerate. Whoever has faith is a saved man.
'Faith and Regeneration'

As has been pointed out already Spurgeon believed that Regeneration and Faith happen simultaneously. Only causally is faith the result of regeneration. In other words faith and regeneration amount to the same thing viz. the new birth. But the impression I get is that THAT is not what you believe.

Faith. The GIFT of God. wrote:
Blah Blah Blah...Thus God teaches, not only, that He has given to His own the GIFT of Faith, but also in a measure which HE decided is appropriate to the person concerned.

What do you understand by your own comment that "faith is a gift"? Do you mean that YOU did not believe, but somehow whilst in a trance like state it just came to you?

And why would belief be so critical if you were already born again?