DJC49 wrote:
Jeremiah 31:22.. the virgin birth

note my use of a quote of YOU with
a good example of fair use of the ellipsis.. I'm focused on the words
'virgin birth'
as earlier when
[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/375/]]]Morris cites Hebrews[/URL]
---
despite `papal decree', Henry M. Morris was not bound to a DJC49 edict that a verse cited can't use an ellipse.
re:the blood of Christ

"Millions of pilgrims visit the Fatima shrine each year where the Virgin Mary goddess appeared to three children nearly 100 years ago. Delegates to the annual "Vatican and UN inspired" gathering were told that the shrine was to be revamped.

The shrines rector, Monsignor Luciano Guerra, stated: "The future of Fatima, or the adoration of God and His mother at this holy Shrine, must pass through the creation of a shrine where different religions can mingle."

One delegate told the congress that "...already in the Far East, millions of Hindus are getting 'positive vibrations' from visiting Marian shrines without endangering their faith." Others spoke of the fact that Muhammad had a daughter named "Fatima."

this 1 Corinthians passage pertains to the type of Body of Christ?
A THOUSAND times YaY!!!
It is VITAL and ESSENTIAL for our salvation that Christ took part "flesh and blood" in all points ... YET WITHOUT SIN of "the children".
Our Kinsman Redeemer was not as poor as Ruth, but wealthy and powerful, and able to lift her up.

The Lord Jesus Christ was the 2nd Adam from the moment He came to earth, as detailed
[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/76/]]]here- at the creation of the 2nd Adam [/URL]

To say Christ only became 2nd Adam at the resurrection is derivative of the logic that led to the modern false 'bibles' that separated Jesus from Christ-
[URL=http://www.truthquest.free-online.co.uk/jm_tds02.htm]]]What Lies Behind This Separation? Adoptionism[/URL]

DJC49 wrote:
Heb 4:15

Christ's blood was 'divine'

The body of the 2nd Adam though 'of no reputation' Phil.2:7
and so veiled before his resurrection,
was seen to be the body of the Christ, the God/man when
manifested as the Lord of Glory in Matt.
17's transfiguration.

[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/375/]]] God-Man by Morris [/URL]
"From conception to death, He must be "in all points ...like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15). In particular, His blood must be "precious blood . . . as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" I Pet1:19,for that blood must be "offered...without spot to God"Heb 9:14.
Thus the body of the second Adam must be formed directly by God and placed in a virgin's womb.
"The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man" Jer31:22.
Note that the "new thing" in the chosen woman must be "created."
"...a body hast thou prepared me" Heb 10:5

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why, Engineer, that doesn't sound like a disaster, that sounds exciting! But then that would mean that [URL=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/obama_the_savior.html]]]Obama the Savior[/URL], wouldn't get in!

ml wrote:
Heb 2:14a Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same...
Engineer, if Christ's blood is divine then what does the verse above mean?

I point out the errors of your link's cite of
Hoeksema, & Article 13 of the Belgic Confession when they say Jesus took part of the flesh "of the children" of fallen Adam & Eve. see 9/29/08 3:27 PM

Alan H wrote:
Engineer's thinking.
Is 7:14

This rank error is taught by the link that DJC49 and ML recommended as correcting the 'heresy' of
Ian Paisley,Rev. John Greer,Rev. Thomas Martin & Dr. Alan Cairns
and also Jack Hyles, R. L. Hymers, the Bob Joneses, Rod Bell ,D. A. Waite,Dr. J. Hymers, Jr,Dr. M. R. De Haan ,Calvin Ray Evans, (all named as "Heretic"in the paper that DJC49 said would be so good to 'study')
and also, DJC49, used the paper's type logic to denounce "Henry Morris's Christological heresy"
along with Christiananswers.net's Paul S. Taylor.

IMHO by extolling McGeown his supporters spread error.
[URL=http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html]]] summary-Taylor[/URL]

[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/76/]]]CREATION & VIRGIN BIRTH [/URL]
[URL=http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23372]]]Analogy[/URL]

[URL=http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/73/]]]Chuck Missler on 2 geneologies[/URL]

ml wrote:
No, I don't think they are antichrists but I do think they are in great error regarding this very important matter.

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." 1 John 5:8, 9.

The witness of God on this earth to the fact that His Only Begotten Son, the Eternal Word, has come into the world, is the Spirit, the Water and the Blood.

under #1(Gnosticism)
Ian Paisley,Rev. John Greer,Rev. Thomas Martin & Dr. Alan Cairns
and also Jack Hyles, R. L. Hymers, the Bob Joneses, Rod Bell ,D. A. Waite,Dr. J. Hymers, Jr,Dr. M. R. De Haan ,Calvin Ray Evans
who all teach of Christ,
that His blood was "divine and human" are "of antichrist and his spirit."

blood of his cross Col. 1:20 faith in his blood Rom. 3:25 justified by his blood Rom. 5:9redemption through his blood Eph. 1:7; cf. Col 1:14; I Peter 1:17-18 nigh by the blood of Christ Eph. 2:13-cfHeb. 9:14 enter into the holiest by the blood Heb. 10:19sanctified with the blood Heb. 10:29sprinkled I Pet1:2cleansed I John 1:7 washed Rev. 1:5
all by the Blood- why?
Acts 20:28: “feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

DJC49 backed away from his commending this link where it is calling them 'antichrists' (before he got into the latest calling Henry Morris/Paul S. Taylor, etc, heretics)

DJC49 wrote:
fundamental mistake
Christ's physical body had to be without inherent or apparent flaw
[Isaiah 53:2]

"As a root - And the reason why the Jews will generally reject their Messiah, is, because he shall not come into the world with secular pomp, but he shall grow up, (or spring up, out of the ground) before him, (before the unbelieving Jews, of whom he spake ver.1, and that in the singular number, as here, who were witnesses of his mean original; and therefore despised him) as a tender plant (small and inconsiderable) and as a root, or branch, grows out of a dry, barren ground. No form - His bodily presence shall be mean and contemptible. No beauty - This the prophet speaks in the person of the unbelieving Jews. We - Our people, the Jewish nation. "
Matthew Henry

Hard to miss the
context:
the cross of Christ,
and the mocking of the pagan Jews,
now echoed by our our DJC49,
to my disgust.

prefaced by-
52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men"-53:5

SEE Psa 45 The beauty of the Messiah

DJC49 wrote:
Jesus was NOT of a "new" line of humanity with NO physical connection to Adam's descendants

It's unfortunate that DCJ49 believes in a Redeemer who of necessity MUST be related to all of fallen evil sinful mankind based on the fact that DCJ49 believes He shares in our common fallen evil sinful humanity and who wasn't a "special creation" with absolutely NO CONNECTION genetically to any fallen evil sinful man or fallen evil sinful woman. Not Adam.Not Mary.
DCJ49'S Christ does NOT fulfill Scripture.
Morris's& Taylor's Christ does.

This curse created a rather grim and perplexing paradox: the Messiah had to come from the royal line, yet now there was a "blood curse" on that very line of descent! (I always visualize a celebration in the councils of Satan on that day. But then I imagine God turning to His angels, saying, "Watch this one!")

Ever since the Creation, each subsequent life has been created at the moment of conception.Scientifically, the new entity begins at the moment the DNA of man and woman combine. This was not the case with Jesus.As a spirit and part of the Trinity,Jesus existed before the Creation of the world."

from

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html

Paul S. Taylor

DJC49 wrote:
Rom 1:3

Neil wrote:
*any* fossil sequence, not matter how complete, cannot prove anything, for they are based upon fallacious inductive reasoning.

[URL=http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/giraffe1.htm]]]How did the Giraffe evolve (graphic humor!)[/URL]

[URL=http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/whale1.htm]]]The whale, now more popular than the horse as 'proof' from fossils[/URL]

thus, a modern 'type' of what Paul S. Taylor, Henry M. Morris,& others (affiliated with ICR&Christiananswers) believe-
non-DNA kids!

Henry Morris, PH.D.
asserts that there was a distinct and TOTALLY separate "new creation" of Christ's physical human nature apart from ANY connection with
"fallen evil sinful"
humanity. Christ had NO CONNECTION with
"fallen evil sinful"
mankind through DNA either from an earthly "fallen evil" father
OR "fallen evil" mother!
Therefore, Christ is NOT one of us
"fallen evil sinful"
and can save;
He's NO"W" our Kinsman Redeemer.

this, compared to the erroneous mischaracterization of Morris in
9/29/08 10:03 AM shows the logic of
[URL=http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html]]]Paul S. Taylor[/URL]

Cambrian Explosion

DJC49 wrote:
Paul S. Taylor Absolutely!
Henry Morris
They BOTH unquestionably hold to an unorthodox, heretical Christology.

Re:
how the Christ is related to Abraham as his seed ?

well,
How can GENTILES be related to Abraham?

Gal 3:7 "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. "
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. "

AND note in this passage

Gal.3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ..."

In corrupt New Age versions, "in Christ" is dropped. Paul is talking about the covenant with Abraham through his seed which was Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

According to THIS anyone who is born again is now the seed of Abraham...

3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

DJC49 wrote:
This viewpoint is obviously heretical making Dr. Morris a HERETIC

Jesus was "flesh and blood" -the same as us,
but NOT the fallen "flesh and blood" of the 1st Adam

As not only Henry M. Morris, and the ICR organization teach, but also
[URL=http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html]]]christiananswers.net dictionary , Author: Paul S. Taylor[/URL]
"neither Christ’s spirit nor his body must have resulted from the DNA of Mary’s egg or from any man’s sperm. Both would have contained inherited genetic defects and the sin nature. As Scripture tells us, Jesus was truly the Second Adam. The first Adam was a special creation of God (not related to any human being),and so was the second Adam (Rom 5:12-19).Jesus was just as fully human as the first Adam.And just like the first Adam,he had no sin nature, no inherited sin,no sinful flesh, which has always been passed from one generation to the next since Adam and Eve’s sin."
"He was absolutely pure and without sin—..he was the Lamb of God, without blemish or spot, sacrificed for sins Jn.1:29"