John UK wrote: Michael, Good points. However, does changing things bring revival, or does revival change things, or does God meet us halfway?
John UK There is certainly much to be said regarding Revival and how it comes.
May it suffice us for the moment that God in His Sovereignty places by His grace an appreciation of what the fulness of His Spirit (or outpouring) in His people means a holy dissatisfaction with pretend, counterfeit and excuse ridden religion and sets us to confessing our sins and seeking Him to Revive us until He does.
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it does seem that he says the things that they want to hear, meanwhile the octopus tentacles of the surveillance state continues..... I suppose we "need" it to protect ourselves from the groups that are both attacking us and being funded by us. SBC is in a mess.
and it would have to be Arminian, because calvin implies "elect" implies "chosen people" implies the "heretical" view that salvation is through Christ, not race or land. for many, the gentile is saved through his own choices while the jew through his ethnicity.... the bible, contrarily teaches no distinctions.
the SBC continues to harm its testimony before both the international Christian community and the international muslem community, the latter needing a pure testimony of Christ, not more globalist politics.
John Yurich USA wrote: If the Catholic Church is not cognizant of the fact that I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrines then I will never be anathamatized. And if I attend the Catholic Church and not a Protestant Church then I am Catholic and not Protestant.
Okay, so you are a deceiver. You try to pull the wool over the eyes of the Catholic Church, but the Jesuit Order knows all about you. They can sniff out a Protestant no matter where you hide. That is their work, to keep you in bondage and slavery to the RCC. They have your IP, know your location, and are cognizant.
People on the fence tend to get shot at by both sides. _____________
Michael, Good points. However, does changing things bring revival, or does revival change things, or does God meet us halfway?
John UK wrote: Bro Michael, it is true. Revival would bring back the missing ingredients to Christianity, namely, the experiential and experimental parts. Not the goosebumps and casting out demons, but Holy Ghost infilling and loving people wherever they are.
John UK IMHO and probably not mine alone, that the biggest obstacles to genuine Revival in today's churches are sadly the pastors.
I say this because when the Holy Spirit moves in power, He shakes up "relgious business" as usual, and He deals with sin from the pulpit to the pews and pews to the pulpit, and IMHO breaks down the artifical laity/clergy separation, even as He moved the writer of Hebrews to say, 'They shall all know Me from the least to the greatest of them.'
Heartbreakingly I have seen too many pastors seemingly more concerned with their dominance in the local church than that God would come and rule, reign and bless His people...ALL OF US, not just the "ruling, seminary elite.'
So if you are a pastor and reading this Please humble yourself and pray and seek God for genuine Revival in your own life and that of your people - And kindly get thoroughly rid of celebrity religous nonsense and garbage that masquarades as Christianity
John UK wrote: You're not a Roman Catholic. You have rejected the Roman Catholic Church, and you are now a Protestant. The pope anathematises you anyway, so you are no longer welcome at the RCC unless you recant.
If the Catholic Church is not cognizant of the fact that I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrines then I will never be anathamatized. And if I attend the Catholic Church and not a Protestant Church then I am Catholic and not Protestant.
Lurker wrote: John, My position is the same as yours, Mike's and Frank's. Eternal life is the better NC promise (1 John 2:25) and a present possession of all born again Christians. 1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. However, I can't find anywhere that Paul laid claim to the better promise in any of his writings (nor the Acts) and I'm trying to reconcile (my understanding of) his writings with John's first letter without assuming anything. Th apostle John's claim to eternal life for himself and those he wrote to is clear. But, I can't find even an implicit claim from Paul..... only that he anticipated the promise in hope. . . . Mike, I don't believe Paul and John disagreed on theology. They wrote by HS inspiration. There's got to be another answer to reconcile the apparent contradiction. As I've written before regarding hermeneutics: 1) The bible is inerrent and free of contradiction. 2) If a contradiction is encountered, see rule one.
Hey fellow ember. I like your hermeneutics! I have always looked at Paul's use of "hope" in the sense you noted, as a certain expectation.
Michael Hranek wrote: John UK Barna did a survey not too long ago finding out only about 1 in 4 Baptist and 1 in 3 Pentecostals knew what it is to be born again and other denominations where far, far worse. It is likely to be worse today in both Baptist and Pentecostal Churches. We so need Revival
Bro Michael, it is true. Revival would bring back the missing ingredients to Christianity, namely, the experiential and experimental parts. Not the goosebumps and casting out demons, but Holy Ghost infilling and loving people wherever they are.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well I don't believe that being Born Again means to be baptized. I believe the only way to become Born Again is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
Well John, you reject the Roman Catholic doctrines about the new birth. I said that Roman Catholics do not understand what being born again is.
A brother made a statement recently to me that if your God is not big enough to stand up to criticism then he is not worthy of our devotion nor His divinity" Let atheists and blasphemers say what they will! Fret not for evil doers etc...
Mike, I'm having a hard time digesting this new revelation. You're a lumber jack? Theres nothing wrong with lumber, but jack is short for jack rabbit, which is a rabbit, and a rabbit is the fertility symbol for isis, aphrodite, etc., so maybe you should call yourself a lumbercutter, etc.? I'm concerned about you...
John UK wrote: Roman Catholics don't understand what it means to be born again; they think it is something to do with baptism.
John UK Barna did a survey not too long ago finding out only about 1 in 4 Baptist and 1 in 3 Pentecostals knew what it is to be born again and other denominations where far, far worse. It is likely to be worse today in both Baptist and Pentecostal Churches.