He is a very ungodly man, and still bears watching because he and his partner are not through yet!

He is an. Antichrist, and still bears watching because he and his partner are not through yet! Don't be surprised when his partner announces intentions to run for the 2020 elections. Woe unto us if these two evil ones should, by hook or crook, end up in the White House for another 4 to 8 years.

in the White House.

Mike wrote:
Wondered that myself. Some of the debate team banned, maybe? Who knows?

An interesting and informative 4 series message on the presevation of the word of God is preached by a fellow by the name of J Hanson Smith on sermonaudio. It is the only messages he has on here at present and he is a proponent of the KJV for the reasons he states.
I recommend a listen.

Ga 3:17 is speaking about the covenant of law, the Mosaic covenant, which is 430 years after the Abrahamic covenant. What has that got to do with Da 9:26?

The new covenant is called an everlasting covenant He 13:20. The covenant in Da 9:26 is said to be confirmed for 1 week. by the prince of the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

Now, quit beating around the bush. Did the Jews destroy the city and the sanctuary after the 69 weeks or not? It is in the text. Why is it not relevant? If they did not, who did?

Apparently you are not reading the text. Let me quote Da 9:26 again for you.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

I have to say that I have not heard that one put forth before. Provide me a link because I would like to see how all that was accomplished.

I am glad though that you will acknowledge the 1000 years in Re 20 and the 1290 days and the 335 days and the 3 1/2 years are literal and mean what they say.

You said:

BTW ... how silly is it to interpret the word "he" found in Dan 9:27 as referring to the Antichrist?

Did you read the verse? Are you saying that the Messiah and the prince that shall are one and the same?

His (the prince that shall come) people will destroy the city and sanctuary AFTER the 69 weeks.

Now, you say all this has been accomplished by 7 years after the cross. Yet they were still offering sacrifices in AD 70, 40 years after the crucifixion.

DJC49 wrote:
Uh-huh. Sure.

Tell us about one other place in Scripture where a "time prophecy" was truncated and then extended for an indeterminate period of time -- in this case, almost 2000 years [That's 282+ weeks of years!]

Is 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
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Did GOD'S prophetic clock stop ticking....
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No! The division of the time IS the prophecy! The end is:

On the one hand, JD, you argue that the Messiah was indeed "cut off" AFTER the 69th week -- according to Scripture.
On the other hand, you claim that the Messiah was NOT "cut off" during the 70th week.

This is an impossibility.
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What am I missing here?

DJC49 is insisting that the Messiah was not cut off until after the 69 weeks. I am with him up to here. But then, he says the Messiah was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.. I think he is just going to let this hang out and not explain it. What is the relevance of 69 weeks? Why even bring it up?

These men know my position because I have told them. There is a break between the 69th and 70th week. But I do not know what their position because they have not explained it and the above statements are confusing.

DJC49 wrote:
There is no break. There is no twilight zone.

DJC49 wrote:
On the one hand, JD, you argue that the Messiah was indeed "cut off" AFTER the 69th week -- according to Scripture.
On the other hand, you claim that the Messiah was NOT "cut off" during the 70th week.
This is an impossibility.

DJC49 wrote:
Why? Because the very second the 69th week ends, the 70th week begins. Your camp thinks GOD'S prophetic clock stopped immediately after week 69.

Therefore all the prophets that wrote about future events of Israel being brought back to her own land and Christ reigning on the throne of David from Jerusalem and all the earth at rest and being at perfect peace must be spiritualized and applied to the present or heaven. And those passages and books that deal with the coming future judgment, the tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, the wrath of God, etc must have already taken place.

The post I made to DJC49 was critical to my argument and you pushed the abuse button and it was deleted. I am not going to retype my response but it is more serious to accuse someone of changing the bible when he did no such thing than it is to use the word "idiotic", yet I did not report you for abuse for doing it.

Now, all my comments are still there and you can show where I have changed the bible, as you say.

Here is what you said!

You are atill not getting it JD. You are changing the bible to read how you want it to read. It does not say towards the end of the 69 weeks, it says AFTER the 69 weeks. Deal with the text as it is written, don't try changing it.

I actually got the idea for the word from DJC49 when he said of me:

How in the world do you ever come up with the idiotic idea that we believe that the Messiah is a Roman?

Great peace have they that love thy law, and nothing shall offend them.

You keep making the same erroneous point. I am not saying that the Messiah is cut off during the 62 weeks, I am saying he is cut off after the 62 weeks. The last day of the 62 weeks is still after it. Suppose the decree was made by cyrus at 1:00 PM and Messiah was cut off exactly 434 years later to the day at 3:00 PM. That would be after.

But you have offered nothing in the way of the text making your case. This is a sorry way to debate. You accuse me of something I do not do yet offer nothing in return. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? You have not given any scenario for the fulfillmernt of this prophecy.

And, as far as you recommending my permanant removal, I would remind you that I pay to be on here. I am a Plus member.

The Lone Wolf wrote:
JD, what you fail to see is that AFTER the 69 weeks is when the Messiah will be cut off, not during the 69th week. At least that is what the text says.
You are trying to cut him off during the 69 weeks, not after. That is my argument. The text says what it says.
I would encourage you to listen to a great sermon that explains where I am coming from.
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26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Cut off means kille and he was cut off the very last day of the 69th week. That ended the 69th week of the prophecy but it did not begin the 70th week.

The Lone Wolf wrote:
JD, if you want any further discussion from me, cut the sarcastic remarks.

What ontext begins this whole discourse?

It is the context of the desolation of Jerusalem.

In Je 25 there is a near and far fulfillment of the cahstening hand of God upon the nations after the 70 years babylonian captivity and he sends Jeremiah to all nations of the world with the wine cup of his fury and demands them all to drink and here is what he says if they refuse to drink:

Jer 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
This is the 70th week, more partuclarly the last 3 1/2 years of that week, the time period of Re 4-19.

This suggests a covenant already in existence!

and in the midst of the week (the seven years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Suggesting a temple with Jewish sacrifices)

and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the consummation (the end of the week), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Lu 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Notice how this prince makes the temple desolate and defines for us the abomniation of desolation (singular).

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 42 months is 1290 days or 3 1/2 years, 1/2 of 7 years or the midst of the week.