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John UK wrote:
Too tired now to read the whole article, but Pink says, "The Spirit is our Guide, but we must obey His motions."
Melbourne Hall, Leicester, England. It was pastored by a most conservative and straight-laced brother called Paul Bassett, and for decades he taught what you have teaching TS.
Until, that is, one day God spoke to him clearly and with purpose, and Bro Paul never had a Bible in his hand. He related the event subsequently in one of his books. He was driving about his business as pastor of the church, when suddenly, the Lord said, "Turn left, turn left!"
And so he turned left. Didn't know why, but he knew God had SPOKEN to him. As he was driving up this side street, off his determined route, he recognised one of the houses; it belonged to someone he knew. So he parked up, and went to visit the house.
Now I must go and make some tea.
Well John, certainly hope there is a 'rest of the story' moment.
Don't leave us all in suspense

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Troll Spotter wrote:
John, please don't misrepresent what I am saying. I am not saying God doesn't speak. I am saying that we don't see eye to eye on what the speaking amounts to. My contention is that he uses his word, as A W Pink explains HERE Ditch the Word and you've become a mystic!
Too tired now to read the whole article, but Pink says, "The Spirit is our Guide, but we must obey His motions."

Melbourne Hall, Leicester, England. It was pastored by a most conservative and straight-laced brother called Paul Bassett, and for decades he taught what you have teaching TS.

Until, that is, one day God spoke to him clearly and with purpose, and Bro Paul never had a Bible in his hand. He related the event subsequently in one of his books. He was driving about his business as pastor of the church, when suddenly, the Lord said, "Turn left, turn left!"

And so he turned left. Didn't know why, but he knew God had SPOKEN to him. As he was driving up this side street, off his determined route, he recognised one of the houses; it belonged to someone he knew. So he parked up, and went to visit the house.

Now I must go and make some tea.


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John UK wrote:
...it was God's will to have twelve apostles of the Lamb. The fact that they ended up with about 17 apostles is neither here nor there.
By what authority did they end up with 17 John if the Lord only intended 12?

John UK wrote:
As I am a sola scriptura man, I need biblical proof of such a thing as a canon.
If you don't know this John, then how do you know that you have a complete Bible in your hands? And if your Bible is not complete, then you'd better hurray to find the missing bits.

"It pleased the Lord to commit His revealed Truth wholly to writing. Therefore the Holy Scriptures are most necessary, those former ways by which God revealed His will unto His people having now ceased." BCF1689 - You don't believe this anymore?

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And God has set in the church, apostles, prophets, teachers and so on. ...
Historically that was an accurate statement. If there are still apostles, then the foundation is incomplete and we don't have the whole deposit of truth yet. And if miracles were performed by everyone in the NT how could Paul appeal to the signs of an apostle? And why does Hebs 2.3,4 speak in the past tense?

Have to go now. Will check in tomorrow


News Item10/31/14 12:53 PM
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If they are to be normative the Lord must have left people who were witnesses of his life, death and resurrection, yes?
You don't believe that the canon of Scripture is closed?
What about NT prophets?

Powerless for sure, but I don't think because of what you're advocating.

It was God's will to have twelve tribes of Israel, and it was God's will to have twelve apostles of the Lamb. The fact that they ended up with about 17 apostles is neither here nor there.

As I am a sola scriptura man, I need biblical proof of such a thing as a canon.

And God has set in the church, apostles, prophets, teachers and so on. Our difficulty is that we equate the words "apostle" and "prophets" as like the prophet Jonah and the apostle Matthias. And so we say things like, "Well, the apostles and prophets have gone, but we'll keep the evangelists and Bible teachers and pastors".

Powerless? Now then bro, if you would like to tell me what is lacking that we are so powerless today, then I would surely greatly appreciate it, because my desire is to see the church as the head and not the tail, victorious not defeated and sticking its head in the sand.

"...if any man hear my voice..." Rev 3:20


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SteveR...
There is no evidence that the star of David started as a symbol of witchcraft but that makes for a great Halloween story!

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John UK wrote:
1. If you can find any that have the right qualifications, yes.
If they are to be normative the Lord must have left people who were witnesses of his life, death and resurrection, yes?

You don't believe that the canon of Scripture is closed?

What about NT prophets?

John UK wrote:
2. Partly...
3. For example, have you ever seen a Christian poster, with words like:
Isaiah 30:21 KJV
(21) And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
If so, how do you think Christians understand that?
In Frank's story about Bible smuggling (wow!) God communicated to him by his Spirit, and said, "Get ye back to the hotel, gather the Bibles together, and go hide them in your car! Quickly!"..
Powerless for sure, but I don't think because of what you're advocating.

John, please don't misrepresent what I am saying. I am not saying God doesn't speak. I am saying that we don't see eye to eye on what the speaking amounts to. My contention is that he uses his word, as A W Pink explains HERE Ditch the Word and you've become a mystic!


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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Frank wrote:
I have a feeling this is an issue that will not be resolved because God does work differently with each of us. In my story, I forgot to add that I "knew" it was God speaking to me, I just didn't know why until later. The mystery to me was why God simply didn't stop the maid and the hotel management from doing what they did.
Anyway, Pilgrim, you and I would say to God be the glory!
Fellow Pilgrim, it would do us all good to share more of how God has dealt with us over the years. Maybe that would halt the downplaying of "God doesn't speak to his people any more."

Take John Bunyan (to add to US's post), who, when he came up to the cross, and his burden of sins fell off of his back, and Jesus said, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." And then three angels attended upon him and gave him encouragement. Pilgrim's Progress is regarded a Christian classic, yet so many if pressed, would say, "Well, it doesn't happen like that any more!"

Well I am here to say IT DOES!

No namby-pamby Christianity for me.

The new covenant - as the apostle said - is FAR more glorious than the old. And when we get back to the GLORY of it, we may see revival and a halt to the ungodliness around us.


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Elmer use to post here under another moniker, if you really think about it, you might remember who.

Hint: He called himself an apostle.


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John UK wrote:
1. If you can find any that have the right qualifications, yes.
2. Partly...
3. For example, have you ever seen a Christian poster, with words like:
Isaiah 30:21 KJV
(21) And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
If so, how do you think Christians understand that?
In Frank's story about Bible smuggling (wow!) God communicated to him by his Spirit, and said, "Get ye back to the hotel, gather the Bibles together, and go hide them in your car! Quickly!"
I don't think that God is a "prompter" like you find backstage who helps someone who has forgotten his lines. The communication of God is Yea and Amen. And I believe the church wholesale has forgotten God and become man-centred and man-powered. Thus, meetings are powerless in general.
I have a feeling this is an issue that will not be resolved because God does work differently with each of us. In my story, I forgot to add that I "knew" it was God speaking to me, I just didn't know why until later. The mystery to me was why God simply didn't stop the maid and the hotel management from doing what they did.

Anyway, Pilgrim, you and I would say to God be the glory!


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They also sold their first computer for $666.

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I don't know about audible voice. God has clearly closed the canon of Scripture and the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets. I do believe God does His work through His people. In reading the biography of George Mueller it is clear that God directed people to specifically help the brother and his ministry. Many people will testify how God laid certain people on their heart. This is what happens when an omniscient God uses the prays and provision of His people to meet the needs of His servants.

You look at the experience of the saints of the past. John Newton wrote His name yields the richest perfume and sweeter than music His voice, His presence disperses my gloom and makes all within me rejoice. Austin Miles wrote that He walks with me and He talks with me. I would surmise this to be the witness of the Spirit of God in our hearts crying Abba Father and reflects the intimate time of fellowship with enjoy with God when we He alone is our heart's desire.

He speaks through His Word. If we "hear" from God things contrary to His Word, God is not in it. What we need is a hungering and thirsting for God in our hearts and lives so we can say with Samuel, speak Lord for thy servant heareth.


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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Troll Spotter wrote:
Should we still have apostles?

Thank you for clarifying that it is not audible. As for Frank's post, I have already responded to it. Do you find fault with my response?

John UK seems to be arguing for more than a prompting though. He appears to be arguing for intelligible words quietly spoken to us.

1. If you can find any that have the right qualifications, yes.

2. Partly...

3. For example, have you ever seen a Christian poster, with words like:

Isaiah 30:21 KJV
(21) And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

If so, how do you think Christians understand that?

In Frank's story about Bible smuggling (wow!) God communicated to him by his Spirit, and said, "Get ye back to the hotel, gather the Bibles together, and go hide them in your car! Quickly!"

I don't think that God is a "prompter" like you find backstage who helps someone who has forgotten his lines. The communication of God is Yea and Amen. And I believe the church wholesale has forgotten God and become man-centred and man-powered. Thus, meetings are powerless in general.


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John UK wrote:
Well TS, firstly I do not have to prove that the Bible is normative (as you call it).
Should we still have apostles?

John UK wrote:
Secondly, I have not mentioned an "audible voice", so let us deal with your misunderstanding.
I'm talking about God communicating to men. God is a Great Spirit and he does not have a tongue, and yet he can be heard audibly by men, saying such things as, "This is my beloved Son, hear ye him." How often does this happen? Extremely rarely.
If a church of 500 have in their midst five unsaved persons, and the gospel is preached. You could ask them afterwards individually, "Has God spoken to you?" Four might say, "No" but one might say, "Yes, God has spoken to me very clearly." Now they all heard the word of God (scripture), but only one heard God speaking to him. This was because God was communicating to that person. "Did you hear a voice?" "I don't know, but God very clearly SPOKE to me."
Frank's wonderful testimony is another example of what I'm talking about.
Thank you for clarifying that it is not audible. As for Frank's post, I have already responded to it. Do you find fault with my response?

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Troll Spotter wrote:
There is a desperate conflating of all sorts of issues to justify a small audible voice, and a rather feeble accusation of a third covenant for non-normative matters, when you cannot yourself prove that every NT narrative is normative.
Well TS, firstly I do not have to prove that the Bible is normative (as you call it).

Secondly, I have not mentioned an "audible voice", so let us deal with your misunderstanding.

I'm talking about God communicating to men. God is a Great Spirit and he does not have a tongue, and yet he can be heard audibly by men, saying such things as, "This is my beloved Son, hear ye him." How often does this happen? Extremely rarely.

If a church of 500 have in their midst five unsaved persons, and the gospel is preached. You could ask them afterwards individually, "Has God spoken to you?" Four might say, "No" but one might say, "Yes, God has spoken to me very clearly." Now they all heard the word of God (scripture), but only one heard God speaking to him. This was because God was communicating to that person. "Did you hear a voice?" "I don't know, but God very clearly SPOKE to me."

Frank's wonderful testimony is another example of what I'm talking about.


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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I have to believe that Elmer would not be convinced by showing him the doctrine of the triuniy of God, plus it would be difficult given the character limit. Perhaps he is Christian Science, Oneness Pentecostal, Mormon, or as previously stated J W. Must agree with T S, he knows not the Lord. Please note in ALL previous attempts to get him to define himself and his views he has meticulously avoided answering all inquiries.
Our hope is that he is one day born again, but think that his post should be read with the realization that he is blinded to the truth.
Our hope is that he is one day born again, but think that his post should be read with the realization that he is blinded to the truth.

Amen brother, amen.


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“ Nourishing ministry ”
A wholesome and edifying word.Thanks

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John UK wrote:
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Now please note that the Spirit's involvement was not restricted to apostles, but effectively to all men and women too.
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That was an explanation of what happened at Pentecost John. If the Spirit's manifestation then was to continue in perpetuity then why was it that Peter, after he had been to Cornelius, reported "foreasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.." IOW pointing back to Pentecost, even though this was some years later. Pentecost was not an event that happened daily!

Cornelius also met an angel and an apostle. Should this be normative, if every narrative in the NT is normative?

Your understanding of the New Covenant is rather strange to say the least. The wording in Jer 31.34 says of the New Covenant that, "..they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord". Does that mean that in the NC there are no teachers or evangelists?

To me there is a desperate conflating of all sorts of issues to justify a small audible voice, and a rather feeble accusation of a third covenant for non-normative matters, when you cannot yourself prove that every NT narrative is normative.

Should we still have apostles?


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Jamie wrote:
I don't believe that "certain poster from Nebraskaa" condones murder john yurich.
Man number 1. Says that although he doesn’t support “all” abortions, he will vote for those who do encourage, support and legitimize it. The result is millions of babies are murdered.

Man number 2. He says that he is against all abortions and will not support it in any way. He votes his conscience and the result is left to a depraved culture and millions of babies are murdered.

Now in both of the above cases millions of babies are murdered, but in God’s eyes which one of the above men are complicit in the sin of murdering the unborn. Or let’s say, which on condones the murder of children; man number 1 or man number 2.

Jim from Lincoln is man number 1 by his own admission and he does condone the murder of the unborn. The only way any of us can restrict abortions is by praying, speaking out against the practice, or in our voting. I know Jim from Lincoln doesn't speak out against it and I know he votes for those who completely support the practice. I have no idea whether he prays against it, but my guess is if he doesn't speak out and he votes for those who publicly support the practice, then he probably doesn't pray against it.


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I have to believe that Elmer would not be convinced by showing him the doctrine of the triuniy of God, plus it would be difficult given the character limit. Perhaps he is Christian Science, Oneness Pentecostal, Mormon, or as previously stated J W. Must agree with T S, he knows not the Lord. Please note in ALL previous attempts to get him to define himself and his views he has meticulously avoided answering all inquiries.
Our hope is that he is one day born again, but think that his post should be read with the realization that he is blinded to the truth.

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Troll Spotter wrote:
John, why put words in my mouth when I am trying seriously to understand your point? Have I mentioned a third covenant?
TS, I am trying to help.

Here is the 2nd and new covenant:

Acts 2:17-21 KJV
(17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
(18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
(19) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
(20) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
(21) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Now please note that the Spirit's involvement was not restricted to apostles, but effectively to all men and women too.

Now if you want to say that this new covenant experience lasted 70 odd years and ended, you need to provide scriptural proof for that, and show where the 3rd covenant began. That's all.

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