Britton Ens wrote: If anything, gun control will do the opposite. Criminals will get their hands on firearms either way, but if the average civilian isn't allowed to carry or even own, then everyone is an easy target. I can't even comprehend how politicians think. Do they think groups lile ISIS just casually walk into a gun shop and buy them, waiting out the time they need to? No. What they don't get from the US, they most likely get from "underground" sellers. Disarming the people will only lead to chaos.
True. But as to not comprehending how politicians think, they don't do so to find solutions, but only to move the culture to whatever point their darkened minds wish it to go.
John UK wrote: Matthew 24:20-21 KJV (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Happened a long time ago. ---
That's good to know, bro. It means that no matter how bad things get, tribulation wise, "nor ever shall be" means it can never get as bad as already happened a long time ago. Of course that isn't so, but...
If anything, gun control will do the opposite. Criminals will get their hands on firearms either way, but if the average civilian isn't allowed to carry or even own, then everyone is an easy target. I can't even comprehend how politicians think. Do they think groups lile ISIS just casually walk into a gun shop and buy them, waiting out the time they need to? No. What they don't get from the US, they most likely get from "underground" sellers. Disarming the people will only lead to chaos.
John UK wrote: Well bro, 1. I refer you to my previous post. Quite agree. But I still want to know what this "flight" is? Fleeing from severe persecution?
Flight...... feminine noun...... a thing. But the root word means "to flee away, seek safety by flight". That makes sense. Fleeing from spiritual and physical persecution.
Not in winter..... I would say the harvest being past (Jer 8:20) speaks of the harvest of souls.
I didn't say Matt 24 speaks of the 70th week but the 70th week is indeed the tribulation/great tribulation which ends with the end of days, the resurrection of the just and unjust and the appearing of our Lord and Savior all of which Paul wrote of and looked forward to in hope.
As you can tell, I'm being a little evasive here, John. It's not to confuse you of keep you guessing but this is a subject I just won't get into in detail on an open forum.
Lurker wrote: 1) Are you sure it was? "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains...." Jesus was speaking specifically to Jews...... at least that's how I read it. As for winter..... the harvest is over (Jer 8:20) 2) I can't say, John. I don't see it but since it has no eternal consequence I won't break fellowship with anyone who holds to it.
1. I refer you to my previous post. Quite agree. But I still want to know what this "flight" is? Fleeing from severe persecution? Well, that's happening even now in many countries. and with winter coming on, a lot of folks will die for lack of food and shelter. It's happened before, and will happen again. Why not on the Sabbath? Well, the Jews were not permitted to go long journeys on the Sabbath. If you say this is the 70th week, how is that relevant?
2. No, of course not brother. There is one thing, and one thing only, which puts fellow brothers and sisters in the same body of Christ, and that is the new birth by the hand of God. All else is secondary, sometimes schismatic.
I don't have the answers on this subject. Indeed I find it baffling. Maybe GS Montana can shine a little light, eh?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Actually, John UK, You aren't a Trintarian then, because Trinity isn't mentioned in the Bible? Actually "great tribulation," is see Revelation 2:22 --in your KJV-- and if you go outside of Revelation you will find Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. ---KJV John U.K., you just tricked me into using the KJV! GSMontana, you as much as anyone, should know why I use quotations and URLs, we have the folks there in Wales, asking "Can anything good come out of Nebraska?" So, naturally, I use people they should even recognize who know what they are talking about -- to back me up. For all the "fun" recent things that Muhammadans like to do to Christians, check out, Islam: The Religion of Peace. [/QUOTE THE niv dont have "CALVERY" in it
John UK wrote: Ha! The questions are, bro: 1. Why did Jesus refer to a Sabbath, if his remark was made to future Gentiles who believe in the Lord's Day? 2. Why do some imagine that the church will be taken away from a fierce tribulation period some time before his second advent?
1) Are you sure it was? "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains...." Jesus was speaking specifically to Jews...... at least that's how I read it.
As for winter..... the harvest is over (Jer 8:20)
2) I can't say, John. I don't see it but since it has no eternal consequence I won't break fellowship with anyone who holds to it.
Now who is Jesus speaking to about these things? Jew and Gentile? How about privately to his disciples, who were Jews?
Matthew 24:3 KJV (3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Surely we have to take into account who was speaking, to whom he was speaking, and how those listening would have understood what he was saying? For example, was it totally irrelevant to them, only for us today as the end approaches? That seems a bit far fetched to me. It would mean that his words had no relevance to anyone for at least 2000 years.
Thusly, why should those disciples pray that their flight should not be in winter or on the Sabbath day?
Because brother John the Lord was talking to gentile and Jew alike. If we look at the structure of language used 're 2nd coming ie: the dead raised first then the living, in the twinkling of an eye, Computable put on incorruptible, mortal made immortal,. Then orientated by 1 Corr: 15/55 the language used by Paul issalmost identical to that used by Jesus himself when describing the 2nd coming. At the last trump, it says in 1corr 15/55. Go to rev regarding the trumpets, note the witnesses killed and resurrected in the few Previous verses, then look at the tribulation described from 1st trump to the 7th trump, and correlate the bowls of wrath and seals being broken, Now back to 1 Corr, 15/55 Pauls tells us these mysteries suo this day does not over take us
Great Sermon! Although we can agree to disagree on such topics as beliefs in certain scripture teachings such as open or closed communion and wine or grapejuice. I have never been more comforable and amazed at your sermon involving the shedding of blood and what the Lords supper "represents" as you states this is a time of "resetting" our priorities and our love and search our hesrts.
Anything else such as doctrinal issues can still effect us but should not make us not see the teue meaning of Gods word and the passing over. Oh what a simple wsy you preached as a young perdon could fully understand. Oftwn times christians are hung up on issues of how and who and the substance of fermented or not and leven or not. Truly you preached tonight what the meaning of the Lords Supper and it all ended with a examination of heart. . Wow Bro Reynolds your sermons are heartfelt and so derp yet so simple.
I thank you for your faithfullness.
Matt.24/20-21, 29 Is spoken of as a time in the future. Good hermeneutic not dispensation.in Matt 24:15 Take the ref to Daniel. Abomination of desolation, thenffind what you can in the book of rev regarding the abomination of desolation,. Rev 2/22 . 7/14?????? With correct exegesis/ hermeneutics. If we take things out of context we are reading a book that can mean anything to anyone, But brethren we read the word, Gods word . If we apply such train of thought regarding dispensation then creation week can then mean anything, were they literal days in gods account of creation? Of course they were. When reading we must use context,context context. We are told to expect much tribulation and persecution in our Christian walk, but the Great tribulation ( so called in the bible) and the coming of the son of man, the second coming tribulation such as the world has never seen. 2 distinct events, tribulations in our walk are ongoing, the tribulation is a singular advent. The great tribulation ( as named in the bible) is marked by distinct events, plagues, two witnesses for 42 months, 1260days,killed then raised on the third day?
John UK wrote: I imagine if Bro Lurker was to sit at his screen reading these exchanges, he'd be grinning like a Cheshire cat.
Ptewy.... I love canaries but I hate feathers.
Let's see. The first great tribulation took place midway through the Babylonian captivity when the throne of Jehoiachin (Coniah) was set up above all others in captivity (Jer 52:31-34). Coniah was the grandson of Josiah and the little horn of the he-goat (Dan 8:9) also identified as the false prophet in the Revelation (Rev 13:1-10); the sea beast whose deadly wound was healed. The false prophet is the one who set up the abomination of desolation midway through the tribulation....... hence, great tribulation.
The tribulation of the 70th week and the great tribulation upon the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Dan 11:31) is of interest to us in this age...... the captivity on the figure of Babylon Paul warned the Jews of in Acts 13:40-41 cf. Hab 1:5-6.
A message not to be forgotten. The Devil would love for the truth of this message to be lost forever- buried with Aaron- thank the Lord through His Word we can stand upon this Truth and have Light for our path.
You cannot win as an individual against the bureaucracy because the system in society IS the bureaucracy. This father took his case about the errors of the bureaucracy into a court run by the bureaucracy, hence he lost battle because the judge was on the same side as the school. In a world where sin is in charge of government, bureaucracy and society the traditional moral positions are no longer correct. Christian ethics are wrong not right, the Bible is debatable literature written long ago by men who were influenced by a religion which is unacceptable authority today. Orwell's Winston Smith (1984) was taken away for re-education, in other words he had to toe the party line or be punished. Liberalism rules today.
Matthew 24:20-21 KJV (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Happened a long time ago.
GSMontana wrote: The point is that say I tell a dispensationalist that the Bible teaches Christians go through tribulation. They will then say "Sure, but that's not the same as The Great Tribulation." But the Bible nowhere teaches a time period specifically called "The Great Tribulation." It doesn't exist in scripture.
Well let's see if anyone can come up with an answer. If not, it must the figment of someone's imagination. I imagine if Bro Lurker was to sit at his screen reading these exchanges, he'd be grinning like a Cheshire cat.
Strange how Liberalism rejects authority but creates more and more rules. It is like communism when it comes to govern the people telling them what to say think and do - Whilst trying to convince them that they are free and living in a state of democracy. The governments words are made to sound as if they are good and caring of people and liberty, but behind the rhetoric is the insidious work of iniquity and Satan. Sadly people continue to be convinced of the rhetoric without seeing the bigger picture.