PILUT wrote:
"And I assure you, we get all the support we need from the Bible, the Canons of Dort, the Reformed Confessions, the writings of great theologians"
Ah yes, the prodigals of Rome still holding to their roots of extra-Biblical teachings.
Where did Sola Scriptura go?

Tell me do you folks also believe that the Bible was written in the 20th century???

Believe it or not the Truth was read and recorded in previous centuries by the True Church, now known as Protestant Reformed, who coined the phrase "Sola Scriptura" amongst other Solas"

# It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.

# It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside down.

# Royal Navy ships that enter the Port of London must provide a barrel of rum to the Constable of the Tower of London.

# In the UK, a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants – even, if she so requests, in a policeman’s helmet

# In Lancashire, no person is permitted after being asked to stop by a constable on the seashore to incite a dog to bark.

# In England, all men over the age of 14 must carry out two hours of longbow practice a day.

# In London, Freemen are allowed to take a flock of sheep across London Bridge without being charged a toll; they are also allowed to drive geese down Cheapside.
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There are clearly a whole load of ancient and stupid laws in Britain.

I wonder why the fools picked the Blasphemy law to repeal?

Answer = Satan is in charge of the UK of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I wonder why they don't trust God for a sustainable future?

Casob wrote:
I am Casob!

"Finding God in your inbox"

How do they go from that to this puerile mush?....

""Religion tends toward supplication, whereas magic sets forces into operation, commands, and demands," she explains in 'Not in Kansas Anymore'. "It relies on the power of objects, of symbols, of numbers, of words, and of human will. It empowers human experience over doctrine. Religious people wait on God; magical people push""

Mike wrote:
We should indeed ask whether it is too tough a job for the Holy Spirit to reveal all truth to those who do not speak the language of "thee" and "thou." Or do some still think God is an old Englishman?

I guess the Holy Spirit does need human help in communicating the Truth after all, judging by your post. Maybe He's not as powerful as He once was??

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, Minnow, that is why Webster in 1825, came up with a corrected version of the KJV, because so many words had changed their meaning between 1679 and 1825.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

The elect drawn by God to Christ "HEAR" whereas the others do NOT/cannot hear.

Effectual Calling

"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God"

"Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet they never truly come unto Christ, and therefore cannot be saved"

Neil wrote:
"they were referring rather to one that is lowly in literary style"
How do you know it can only be this? The adj. "mean" does not pertain only to literary composition.

1] Meanly = Moderately, Not in a great degree, Without dignity, Poorly, Without greatness of mind, Ungenerously, Without respect.

Also

2] Meanness = Want of true excellence, Want of dignity, Low rank, Poverty, Lowness of mind, Sordidness, Niggardliness.

Generally speaking if one looks at dictionaries you will see a progressive change over the centuries and decades of the definition of various words. When therefore reading from previous centuries we should be careful, of the actual meaning behind what the writer is trying to communicate.

"When the NKJV translators claim that their NT is based upon the Received Text, this is not entirely true. In a number of places it chooses to agree with the Westcott and Hort Text. It also misses out words found in the Greek and in some places it adds words without the use of italics. In saying this I am not suggesting that the faults are always as serious as in other modern versions, and neither are they as numerous but they do nevertheless run to over 1200 departures from the Received Text."
(Alan J Macgregor. "Three Modern Versions" p60)

Neil wrote:
1] I did re-read your 1st point & I understand it perfectly. You clearly argued a double-standard. And false doctrine? I do not understand where you got that.

GG wrote:
Please be aware that the supposed "Jesuit Oath" is typical Protestant clap-trap!

GG, we pray the truth may set you free one day.

2Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Neil wrote:
1] Before, you tried to connect sound doctrine with the prevalent Bible version (a material thing). Now you changed the subject.
2] Dynamic Equiv. is a red herring, since 1) no popular version is consistently so, & 2) the KJV isn't the only one emphasizing it; see the NAS, NKJV or Shocken Bibles. Anyhow, using the KJV effectively while witnessing doesn't prove the categorical statement that it's the best translation;
3] All you needed to reply to Jhawk on this was something like "Yes, folks were saved before the KJV."

1] Reread my initial point at #1. you appear to have made an assumption that is not there. You brought in false doctrine - not me!

2] Dynamic Equivalent - changes the way in which the Bible is translated and how it can be received. Ask yourself the question "Why did a group who term themselves "Evangelical" bring out a new version (ESV) if the NIV was acceeptable"?

3] Jhawk's original statement was "3] And also explain how people could be saved before the KJV even existed."
Clearly his accusation is an attack upon the KJV itself, or the position taken by the KJV user.
Again my response was to highlight the Biblical fact that it is God who saves.

"flawed" ???

Should I bow to your superiority?
Or do we just differ?

1] False doctrines? - Not the fault of the Book - but the fault of the heart.
Or should we discuss election at this point?

2] I agree with the Heb/Greek point, however what my friend was alluding to is the different form of speech compared with the KJV and the modern versions; eg NIV (Dynamic Equivalence?)
He was using a KJV (whilst He spoke Arabic) on some occasions which helped him.

3] My point "God alone saves" - was in response to Jhawk44 statement. I excluded **ALL** material objects. Do you believe in that Neil?

Indeed my whole post was a "response" to his rejection of KJV etc.

Jhawk44 wrote:
1] Also, show me some Biblical proof from said Bible that says there is something special about the KJV.

2] Also explain to me how people of other languages are to be saved without the KJV, since it's only in English.

3] And also explain how people could be saved before the KJV even existed.

Whereas during the last century whilst there has been a proliferation of "modern" english versions, there has been a markedly huge decline in church AND doctrine.

I don't believe the Spirit asked for His sword to be sharpened. In fact modern versions pander to the idea that salvation is by human effort of education, - rather than divine hands.

2] A missionary friend of mine, to Arabic countries, informs me that the BEST version to translate is the KJV.

3] People are saved by God alone, - not anything material or physical in creation, books or otherwise. And especially NOT by unaided human decision.

Lance Eccles wrote:
Dan, Fatima is not forgotten because it was an authentic apparition of the mother of Jesus.

GG wrote:
So...show me the evidence of dead Prot Pastors killed by those mean ole Jesuits hitmen or shut the pie-hole.