GSMontana wrote: As much as I hate the NIV, its a little silly to blame aids or sodomy on the NIV. Apostasy sure, but not aids. I doubt most sodomites own a bible of any translation.
I agree with you; he was not referring to professing Christians in his original post when he was referring to those male prostitutes. They didn't even have the NIV or any other reprobate translation. And my guess is Sodom and Gomorrah didn't have the NIV either. I wonder which translation of the OT they had back then?
I truly have a hard time understanding why folks just don't say, "I am KJVO and be done with it.
Jim, you're dancing around the subject. it has always been a pagan symbol, right there on SA over the cross, and is mentioned in Amos 5 and in Stephen's final words before he was martyred. A Messianic Jew has written a book on this matter. I linked you to a Torah website where they say the symbol did not come from Judaism (ie Torah Judaism).
and there is only one way to be saved, through Jesus Christ, does not the NT warn against endless genealogies? here I thought you believed in salvation by grace through faith? or are we adding to Christ, CHrist and paganism?
the semitic argument has nothing to do with this, its unlikely that any person here doesn't have some natural heritage to Abraham over thousands of years of heritage, this has to do with a viewpoint that god is shekinah female and that Jesus is in h@des.
...as represented by the 666 symbol above positioned over the cross.
Wikipedia wrote: nearly two centuries later, Jeremy Bentham, in an unpublished manuscript, denounced James as a hypocrite after his crackdown: "[James I], if he be the author of that first article of the works which bear his name, and which indeed were owned by him, reckons this practise among the few offences which no Sovereign ever ought to pardon. This must needs seem rather extraordinary to those who have a notion that a pardon in this case is what he himself, had he been a subject, might have stood in need of."
Only the modern versions speak plainly about homosexuality,
1st Corinthians 6:9Â Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10Â nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.---ESV
Get Real wrote: i have hope in the Lord that He will provide otherwise i see homelessness in my future ...
Get Real, the Lord knows your future, and you are in his hand. Keep up hope, keep up prayer, keep up praise to him. He has purchased you, and you are not your own. Father has given you as a gift to his Son (John 17), so rejoice when you are able, and sit silently before him when you are not able. I'm sure that there are many on here who will also add our prayers to your own. You are not alone.
Dave wrote: Brother John uk, it may also interest you that the second biggest supplier of sulphur to the world is Israel and Israel mine their sulphur from the region where Sodom and Gomorrah were thought to b located.
Indeed, brother! That is most interesting, and perfectly logical. Thanks for sharing that snippet.
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone [or sulphur] and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (Genesis 19:24 KJV)
I think it shows that the perversion of sodomy is different from all other sins, in that it should have attracted such a degree of wrath from the Lord God Almighty. The true Christian church must always stand against this dreadful sin, never compromising.
Great Sermon! A very moving sermon, one that I've listened to 3 times already. "The cup of wrath" something we don't hear enough off. It bring me to tears because of how Christ suffered for us and thanks to Pastor Paul he delivered it in a fashion that I have a deeper understanding of how our Lord suffered.
Brother John uk, it may also interest you that the second biggest supplier of sulphur to the world is Israel and Israel mine their sulphur from the region where Sodom and Gomorrah were thought to b located.
s c wrote: referring to the sodomites who claim to be Christian.
correct: & from link:
The man appointed to be the Chairman of the Old Testament Committee of the NIV Committee on Bible Translation, Dr. Marten Woudstra, was a homosexual. Also, Virginia Mollenkott, who worked as the stylistic editor for the translation, is a proud lesbian. Some of Dr. Woudsta's collaborators on the NIV knew about his homosexuality years ago during the translation process. The fact that a homosexual oversaw the translating of the Old Testament should be alarming to anyone who loves the Lord Jesus Christ and recognizes the Word of God as the most important Book in their life. The sad truth is that at least two known homosexuals influenced the NIV used in most churches today.
The following quote was ascribed to Dr. Woudstra, Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee:
"There is nothing in the Old Testament that corresponds to homosexuality as we understand it today."
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, a literary critic on the NIV translation is an open lesbian. In the Episcopal magazine, Witness (June 1991, pp. 20-23), she admits,
â€śMy homosexuality has always been a part of me...â€ť Although Mollenkott's lesbianism may possibly have been concealed..we know it now.
Gday get real, Lords blessings sister. Ok may I suggest ,hang on I'm not to sure how usa health system works? Cost wise. But if possible it may beneficial to have a toxicity blood test for formaldehyde, urea,and iodine levels. Now I'm certainly no doctor, but here goes; your house more than likely has a asbestos,now the epoxy resins used to bind asbestos is also found in all fibreglass products also in all manufactured timber products like chip board,particle board,plywood and mdf (medium density fibre board) Some carpets ,insulation ,lino roof tiles. When our bodies have had exposure to these products ( especially when these products are old and breaking down or falling apart,)and bearing in mind our bodies react differently depending on one's exposure,so our bodies can get toxic levels of the ingredient mentioned above. The fact you can smell chemical smells and super glue is a very telling symptom in and of itself. Since late 1800s till present in manufacturing these chemicals are used extensively also in foam for lounge chairs and foam rubber. Your symptoms seem to mirror mine and I've been diagnosed with toxiclevels Of these cchemicals due to years of exposure in the building industry.
I always use the word sodomite when witnessing. It makes a good springboard to telling people about the city of Sodom, why and how God judged them, and will do so again, either in this life, or in the life to come. Our God is a consuming fire.
Can God be deceived? In Psalms 78:36 the NASB says that the children of Israel deceived God. Not just "tried to deceive" or "thought they had deceived" but deceived Him. -- Is your righteousness before God the fine linen of the righteousness of Christ, or your "righteous deeds" as several fake bibles and the modern Catholic versions teach?
Revelation 19:8 - â€śAnd to her (the Bride of Christ) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white; FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SAINTS."
â€śThe fine linen is the righteousness of saintsâ€ť - Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishopsâ€™ Bible, Geneva Bible, Third Millennium Bible
Revelation 19:8 NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Catholic versions - â€śfor the fine linen is THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the saints.â€ť -- Daniel 9:26 What Did Christ Accomplish With His Death?
KJB - "Messiah cut off, but NOT FOR HIMSELF"
ESV (NIV, NASB, NET) - "an anointed one shall be cut off AND SHALL HAVE NOTHING." -- Psalm 8:5 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels"KJB, or "a little less than God"?
RSV, Holman Standard, NASB "You made him LITTLE LESS THAN GOD." -- The NASB made almost 7000 changes in their own text from the 1977 to the 1995 editions. The NASB has been through ten (10) different editions!
GSM,pencil man is probably referring to the sodomites who claim to be Christian. In many Christian circles,the NIV is readily accepted and that may very well be why so many churches and high profile "Christians" have no problem and even encourage immoral behavior/lifestyles. And,of course,then there are the "celebrities" like Bieber and Dr. Phil who appeal to those who love their sin and still want to believe that they are spiritual....and on and on a domino effect
Yes, and look at the Wikipedia article on Star of David they mentioned the Kaballah, but like on another thread about removing crosses to appease Muslims, I'll just put a link to it here, The Finality of the Cross from which, 'A. W. Tozer wrote: "If I see fright, the cross of popular evangelicalism is not the cross of the New Testament. It is rather a new bright ornament upon the bosom of a self-assured and carnal Christianity....The old cross slew men: the new cross entertains them. The old cross condemned; the new cross amuses. The old cross destroyed confidence in the flesh; the new cross encourages it....The flesh, smiling and confident, preaches and sings about the cross; before that cross it bows and toward that cross it points with carefully staged histrionics-hut upon that cross it will not die. and the reproach of the cross it stubbornly refuses to bear."'
Romans 3:9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written: â€śNone is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.---ESV
Interesting, J Y, when and where did the wise men celebrate the birth of Christ? ...and why would that be a warrant for others thereafter to do so when no one did,even those who had been with Jesus? And,Ladybug,no surprise that a good question which you pose didn't get answered. -same situation,different topic- when people would prefer to wallow in their emotions rather than to acknowledge their error. I guess that it allows them to write AT LENGTH about themselves. Some Zin dude gets more attention than the topic at hand.
Pencilman, apparently Satan had a hand in the making of the KJV
Doug Kutilek wrote: I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators (see Emery H. Bancroft, CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1961; revised edition], pp. 147-8). The Socinian doctrine of the Holy Spirit was roughly the same as that of the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose translation--alone of modern Bible versions--also refers to the Holy Spirit as "it...."