@Lurker On this thread, I don't know. In the nation, of course not! You had said "There is the mindset of some on this forum..." and I hadn't seen anyone else post anything along those lines- so I thought it best to clarify!!
Penned, Can you please take your medications and go to bed! Then you can dream about hexagrams, zionism, and all those other conspiracy theories! Just kidding, though please, let off on the conspiracy theories!
Thanks for the sound wisdom! Thanks for the sound wisdom! Linda O.'s blog "Scripture Thoughts" tipped me off to this site. Plan to rework these thoughts with background Scriptures (other than what was used here) -- am a former Baptist and Presbyterian, now functioning in a charismatic environment; am in agreement with this viewpoint as being solidly biblical.
@Lurker First, you wrongfully assumed that I am "outraged" by what you said. Where did you see the outrage in my post? Second, by paraphrasing you, I was simply trying to point out that, the way you phrased it, it could be taken to mean that you were asserting that he was "an instrument of God for our hurt". I, however, never asserted that that was the way you intended for it to be taken. Third, I think that there must be a lot more grace given to others on this thread. We cannot assume that others are doing what they are doing out of spite or rage. On the one hand you have accused Geff of deliberately misquoting you. On the other, Geff has accused you of lying. If all of the people on this thread would try to think the best of each other, then we wouldn't have this unseemly display. Don't assume that others are acting maliciously. And, to clarify, I do not think that a Cruz presidency automatically equals God's Blessing and that all will be well.
Lurker, his father flashed the hexagram at churches across Iowa, that's all he had to do, he's theirs now. They don't know that this is their judgment already. That the more they serve the hexagram the more they serve Rothchild and the NWO. His links to goldmn scs, to the north American union attempts, even better.... They know not that the true symbol of Israel is the Menorah and that this is a disservice to Jews and Gentiles alike, as are all despots not a service to their own. Reminds me of the scripture, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil, the three sisters are give me, give me, give me. We have a horrible jobless rate and our cities being filled with foreigners getting freebies, our people dependent on gov when they can get anything for survival. I know its the deteriorating empire, thing is, we still have the "moral" corner begging for more self destruction. Some assert a pietist position, and I cannot. The truth has to be said, the judgment of a nation is nothing compared to eternal judgment and that is what is to be feared. If we do not understand the Kingdom here, if we are not a sanctified people, that is, if we are essentially at war with God building another kingdom by our hands, there is more to fear than the looming stock market crash.
TMC wrote: @ Lurker "There is the mindset of some on this forum, and I'd guess multitudes in this nation, that Cruz is a good Christian man and if he becomes POTUS then it follows that God has it in His heart to do good for this nation and His blessings will flow again." Would you be so kind as to quote whoever postulated that position?
Clearly this is not your mindset. Your view of God's sovereignty appears to be in harmony with mine.
That said, would you say everyone on this forum, or in this nation, sees God's sovereignty in the affairs of men, kings and rulers as you and I? That was the point of my post. Not trying to paint everyone with the same brush but I do believe the brushstrokes can be broad.
@ JohnUK "But all the speeches and preaches and rhetoric and millions of dollars spent on canvassing, well, that's the world's way, surely?" Can't speak for Geff, but the only reason I support him is because he's be able to keep his word for 4 yrs. In the Senate- most don't make it past a few months what with all the lobbying and deal-making! May you have a Blessed night's rest!
I agree with Dorcas that this is childish. And neither party is guiltless. Geff is rather flipant and filter-less at times, and, if I may, Lurker at times seem to take offence rather easily and has passed out some rather sweeping accusations. That said, I pray that as Christian adults we can look past our differences- Theological, Political, Grammatical, Tempermental, etc.- and look for the Grace and Forgiveness we ought to have toward one another.
@ Lurker "There is the mindset of some on this forum, and I'd guess multitudes in this nation, that Cruz is a good Christian man and if he becomes POTUS then it follows that God has it in His heart to do good for this nation and His blessings will flow again." Would you be so kind as to quote whoever postulated that position? (Before JayJay!) I said: "Our future is in the Lord's hands and no man "will turn it around for good". But the Lord can and may, as he has done so often in Church history, grant us repentance. Either way we shouldn't presume to know the Lord's plans.". I have not seen any one else claim that either. Did I miss something? My personal opinion is that our nation is already enduring, and unless we repent, will continue to endure, judgement. However, I pray that the Lord grants us repentance. All of this is seperate from the reason I support Cruz. I support him because I believe he most closely aligns with the Exodus 18:21 qualifications and I trust his dedication to our Constitution.
Geff wrote: Lurker, Maybe I should have written: "So Cruz, the God-fearing man is "more than likely an instrument of God for our hurt" Does that make you feel better? Even so, you still implied that Cruz is "more than likely an instrument of God for our hurt" by bringing it into the conversation. You just accused me of ALTERING your quote which I never did. I put the full quote at the top of my comment, and then I preceeded with my own words afterwards, invoking a snippet of your post. You were still implying it when you said "more than likely". More than likely means almost certainly.
It matters not how I feel. I'm an old man and my skin has grown thick and tough. Truth is what matters and its not right or Christian to accuse someone of lying unless you can make good on it.
That said, you wrote: "Even so, you still implied that Cruz is "more than likely an instrument of God for our hurt" by bringing it into the conversation."
That's my opinion based on my theology and eschatology. To my knowledge, we are still allowed freedom of thought and expression in this country. And your right to disagree is also a protected right and respected by me.
Let's not allow differences of opinion to open the door for the old man to rear his ugly head.
Geff wrote: John UK: "Well I spent a day and a night in prayer, asking God for his wisdom and direction how to vote," well I would be right supportive of his plans.
That is pretty much what I did, only I spent two!
Well now, that is most refreshing to hear. And if you believe God directed you with his guidance to the right candidate whom he wishes to take the seat, then all you have to do with other Christians is encourage them to take the same route, and job done.
But all the speeches and preaches and rhetoric and millions of dollars spent on canvassing, well, that's the world's way, surely? I no longer even listen to a speech by a politician, because I've lived long enough to know how easy it is for them to lie and engage in subterfuge to attract voters. They certainly don't gain my respect, especially if they intend to carry on murdering innocent babies and other such evils. This is why I no longer vote.
John UK wrote: Thanks bro for those encouraging words concerning how God's grace is sufficient no matter what is happening. Yes, there are some political animals on the thread who are staying up late watching a mere caucus in Iowa, getting all excited about the prospect of Ted Cruz getting to be president and turning the hearts of the people Godward. I hate to be the purveyor of bad news, but you can never really tell what a politician will be like until he takes office. Many Christians made a big mistake concerning Obama through speculation. Now if Geff were to say, "Well I spent a day and a night in prayer, asking God for his wisdom and direction how to vote," well I would be right supportive of his voting plans.
Brother.......you have summed up the thread very well indeed. Your words have been encouraging as well.