Phil Johnson wrote: ...Americaâ€™s moral decline has accelerated dramatically since evangelicals became politically aggressive in the late 1970s....they have been remarkably ineffective when it comes to using politics to reverse Americaâ€™s moral and spiritual decline. In fact, if you measure their success or failure according to their own stated political ambitions, evangelicals have failed spectacularly in Americaâ€™s political arena. Over the past quarter-century, they have not accomplished any of their long-term legislative or constitutional goals....
s c from Oh writes: This is a question which never seems to get a "straight" answer.
Here's another question that never gets a straight answer:
Why must you bring up immodesty ad nauseam?
9 times out of ten the thread you start this up in has nothing to do with it. Does the NBA even have cheerleaders? 'Cause I didnt even think they did. I'm against immodesty as much as next guy, and even agree with you that Christians are better off not watching the NFL, but I do not agree with constantly shoving it down everyone's throat.
I don't wish to be mean, but you really are hung up on this particular sin.
Yes Wayfarer if it was affecting the elite it all would quickly change. Reminds me of the bathroom situation they don't seem to care unless it starts to affect them. Muslims are hard to know how to deal with, with them following the words of the Quran and all. Hard to fight an enemy who thinks dying in the way of jihad will fulfill all there carnal lusts in heaven with a whole bunch of well you get my drift. Yeah one tuff situation.
These attacks will continue as it does not affect the elites. A 86 year old Catholic priest or people at an office party or torturing kids at a dance club too death , will always be parlayed to being a " tragic" situation by the non effective. If ever Isis attacks the political or financial segment of society, things will change quickly. But till then we have to kill more of them and strike fear that this , death and paradise stuff isn't so grand , we might have a reduction of these attacks.
John UK wrote: Maybe one day you will be born again.....
Yes, wouldn't it be wonderful if one day the Holy Spirit drew SteveR and gave him and new circumcised heart, from above. Then he wouldn't bash God's true children and support those who in all probability don't belong to our Lord and Savior. I sometimes pray for his salvation and will do so again tonight.
Preach and teach the gospel. Nothing will change a persons life more than the regeneration of new life brought by the gospel. But, if you know anyone considering abortion, get involved in their life to save two lives.
It seems sc has an issue with professional sports and their cheerleaders; somehow everything always revolves around this issue with her. No one here condones scantily clad women, nor do they uphold immoral behavior. BTW, it's news to me that there are naked women cheering for the NBA. SC paints with a broad brush and assumes all here are compromising, sports loving, approving of naked women, lukewarm Christians! How dare she be an accuser of the brethren; however, Satan is an accuser as well. Is it any wonder SteveR sides with sc? Go figure!
Sometimes I get upset with the USA to. Sometimes I wonder if USA is the Babylon of Revelations, specially with all this homosexual agenda we are pushing on everyone it does seem to fit. But you have to keep in mind all us Christians are pilgrims in a foreign land and we don't belong to any country, we live for a Kingdom not of the world. Rev does it describe USA(I hope not) 1. It is a literal place, with lots of wealth and products to sell. Rev. 18:12-13 2. It is a wealthy country that even sells its money (gold & silver). Rev. 18:11-12 3. It is a country that deceives all other countries. Rev. 18:23 4. It spreads its sexual immorality to other countries. Rev. 18:3 5. It lives in luxury. Rev. 18:7 6. It helps others get rich. Rev. 18:19, Rev. 18:3 7. It is â€˜marriedâ€™ to another country. Rev. 18:7 8. It is suddenly and utterly destroyed by fire. Rev. 18:8, Rev. 18:9-10, Rev. 18:17-18 9. It is responsible for many deaths. Rev. 18:24 After one reads of all these debaucheries of USA I can see how one can get upset, especially when we have a lot of things going on with us. I liked your other post, this is why when they brought up those verses I called them events unlike how the Holy Spirit now resides in believers.
Dave has had a lot of things pile up. I'm sure he means what he says, but maybe would have spoke a bit more softly without recent emotional buildup. I've done the same here and there over time, letting the outside effect me and how I would normally say things.
Personally, if a sports franchise threatened to leave my state if the governor signed into law a bill passed by the state legislature protecting pastors from having to perform sodomite weddings, and I was a fan of that franchise, it would take all the desire away from ever rooting for that team again. And no "meat sacrificed to idols" loophole could change that. Although I must admit that since my conversion, my interest in spectator sports has largely vanished. That being said, I must commend the state of NC for not buckling to the entertainment industry. As Christians we live IN the world and are not OF it. We separate from the world. ( 1 Jn. 2:15)
Christopher000 wrote: Good comments, Frank, and, yes...quite the conundrum. Makes no sense to me either that a biological father has no say in the matter. A woman can get pregnant, come home one day, and over dinner, tell the father of the child, "Oh, by the way, I decided to murder our child earlier today". John, when a person is truly born again, and once they begin to study and learn, I would find it highly suspect if they chose to remain even after they become aware of the churches fatal doctrines and traditions that God Himself specifically and very clearly warns us of.
Yes Chris, most don't realize just how far down the feminist road we are. Since they are carrying the baby, they believe it belongs solely to them. They think of it as a health issue and nothing more. Either men don't understand this or don't care.