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Use of Thee, Thou and Ye......

"The preface of the NIV rightly points out that the ancient tongues (Hebrew & Greek) did not use a special form of the word "you" to address God. However, a cursory reading of the AV will soon clarify the fact that it is the *modern* translations which have attempted to keep "thee and thou" when addressing God and "you and you" when addressing mortals. That is NOT the case with the AV.

The AV usage is simply a reflection of the singular 2nd person pronouns used in the Hebrew and Greek in which the Scriptures were originally written by the inspiration of God. However, in reading through the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures numerous times in my life, I have never found a *single instance* in which God is addressed using a 2nd person PLURAL pronoun. Not once!"
(Richard Bacon)

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MH:I can't speak for all Catholics really. My impression is that most people don't give it much thought until a Protestant friend mentions it. The relationship between Catholics, Jesus and Mary is very complex. There is no intent to worship Mary, there is only the need to love her as our Mother and as someone who intercedes between us and Jesus. The bible says that Jesus is the mediator between man and God the Father, and this we believe. But, Mary is a symbol of the Church, the tool that God used to bring our salvation, the perfect example of faith. She is very dear and very important to the Catholic culture in ways that you would not understand nor appreciate. At the same time Jesus is our Savior, our Lord, and our God. He is absolutely indispensible to our worship. Do the Popes seem to go to far in their veneration of Mary? Yes they go too far for my taste, but the point is that they do well to honor her even if too intensely, while y'all...fearing Catholic contamination, honor her not at all. Jesus is like the Sun and Mary is like the Moon. Jesus is the source of light and life. Mary is only a reflection, dependent upon an always pointing back to the Sun. I can love the Sun during the day, and love the Moon at night, but the Sun is the greater light. But you won't understand

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"he did not have a "direct line" to God and did not pray for guidance from the almighty. But he stressed: "I do have faith and it is important, yes"."

Now the problem with this statement is (1) No praying for guidance - is a political reasoning to reach the non-believers. NO Christian would ever admit to mortals being more important than God in their lives.
(2) Cameron states that "faith is important" to him. That is simply not enough. Faith is THE life of the Christian not just something which may have a slot in various other influences.

If Cameron is a "Christian" - then he is a Liberal Christian, not a true Christian.

Cameron describes his religion as quote; "describing his belief as “fairly classic Church of England faith," u/q

Nuff said!!!


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Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
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Hey Dave, does your Faith fulfill the requirments of Scripture...repentance for Sin & Faith in The Finished Work of The Lord Jesus Christ...& Dave, do you have a Testimony of Salvation...a Relationship with The Savior...is that No.1 in your life..or are you just another ambitious politican?.What about it Dave?

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Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Scott McMahan
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A slightly-built, middle-aged woman... this is on a military base... what were all the soldiers doing? They couldn't stop one man? What are they going to do in combat? I still haven't gotten a handle on what happened yet. Not to take anything away from the civilian for heroism.

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John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
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I was cognizant of the fact that newborn babies cry in native tongue. That is only logical.

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The gaping divide is a gorge Mr. George.
I always believed his teaching on church history compromised with Rome. Dr. Tim falsely asserts that we have a common Lord and a common grace with the Romans and that accordingly we should refer to each other as, brother's and sister's in Jesus Christ! What???

John Owen on justification resembles N.T. Wright! What???

Intervarsity Staff took students to a Mass! What???

I wonder where these liberal Amer. Presbyterians of the 1800,s who considered recognizing Rome's baptism are today?

Mr. Alec Hill, you might try:
"By faith alone, In Jesus Christ alone."
To be honest, it is watered-down, if any Roman is not offended and does not feel a need to leave Rome and her false teaching on justification.

GG,
You have been dreaming with your scheming. There is no proof for Rome's false claim of 2,000 years. Even if there were longevity does not mean truth. The true church lived alongside many cults and false beliefs.


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Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
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So, I Ask & Tell You, What Do You Expect From An Anti/Extra/Un-U.S. Constitutional Foreign-Born (Kenyan-Natural-Born), Alien, Quack, Fake, Phoney, Fraud, "Treasonous" Poser & Pseudo-U.S. President Like Barack Hussein OBAMA ? ! ? ! ? !

You'd Have To Be From Chicago To Really Know & Understand The Depths & Dregs Of ALL The Outright LIES, Deceptions, Double-Talk, Chicago-Mayor-Daley-Democratic-"Machine"-Political-Psychological-Warfare That's Being Waged & Played Upon The Minds, Intellects, Emotions & Wills Of The Citizens Of The U.S.A.: Not To Mention The Minds & Hearts Of The Peoples Of The World !

It's ALL About $$$$$$$$$$$$$ & About CONTROL !

CONTROL Of THE PEOPLE By & Through:

CONTROL Of THE PRESS, ECONOMY, ETC., ETC., ETC. !

CONTROL Of EVERYTHING Having To Do With Man's BODY, SOUL & SPIRIT !

ALL Leading Up To The VERY LITERAL FULFILLMENT Of REVELATION CHAPTER 13:16-18:

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is [666]." !


News Item11/6/09 9:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
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GG wrote:
No good Catholic worships Mary.
GG
Hi! Haven't exchanged posts in a while with you BUT surely you miss the obvious.

Think about it. Shrines in their back yards. Adorning statues of her with jewels, gold, and clothing, even a crown (I've go the picture...that would be John Paul II placing a crown on the head of "Mary" and the little baby "jesus" the lady of somewhere in Cuba).

Fervent prayer to her, Yes! multiple Rosaries. Pilgramages to sites of "her" apparitions.

Now from devote Catholics with shrines in their back yards all the way up to the late John Paul II would you say they weren't good Catholics?

GG, bottom line in all this is that the honor, adoration, prayers, songs sang to, emotional attachment, given to this "Mary" are on par or even exceed what "good Catholics" give to God and you want me to believe Catholics don't worship Mary that is rich.

WHY do they do this???
Could it be GG the reality is that for "good Catholics" the Lord Jesus Christ as He truly is fails to be good enough for them so they have to have this woman who is supposedly His mother?


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Jefferson Davis gets my vote.

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This notice is to inform and warn those in Christ of discriminatory action taken against a child of God for his faith, belief, and allegiance to the Lord and King Jesus Christ. The perpetrators are individual living souls who perform work for Webster Electric Cooperative in Marshfield, Missouri, and at this point specifically the office manager Bobbie Ragsdale. Bobbie had unashamedly denied me electric service because it violates my conscience and the way of God to provide a social security number in exchange for electricity. Not only has Bobbie discriminated against me by forcing me to conform to her beliefs and the established state religion by using said number, but she has also discriminated against my wife who is six months with child, plus our four young children. Please email for more information. A report is currently being prepared. These people and the many like them need serious help. Do pass this along and warn the brethren of these particular enemies of God (who think they doeth God service).

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Chris Perver wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I liked Bush better than Obama, but if memory serves me correct, when the President was told about the 9/11 attacks, he continued on addressing a kindergarten class as if nothing had happened.
Untrue! The President was NOT speaking when he was informed of the tragedy, but another person was at the podium. He sat sombre-faced at the news, and then immediately (in a sensitive manner)addressed the audience, including young children, about the attack on America. Those are the facts.

News Item11/6/09 9:02 PM
Frank Dombrosky | Texas  Find all comments by Frank Dombrosky
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I served in the military back in the '70s. There's a reason most of us were in good shape entering basic training. We didn't spend our childhood watching hour after hour of TV, playing video games, etc. Nor did we stuff our guts with sweet, fatty junk. We stayed outside most of the time and stayed active. The youth of today is just the opposite. Besides that, they completely avoid exercise. The absence of reading good literature only adds to the problem. All of this has something in common - a lack of physical and mental EFFORT. In other words, laziness. Everything must involve pleasure, fun and so on. Parents MUST get their children involved in an active, responsible lifestyle. If not, even greater problems than the military are a certainty in the future.

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Not so Neil and frankly this is the least of my wories, but you made the statement. Your comments made insinuations about me and my ability to understand your posts, my mental abilities and my mental maturity. Big deal!

I said, "But, what fool you people are". I meant to say, "But what fools you people are". The reference to being "stupid" has to do with the "fools", which is not just you, but any SA Fundi who can't grasp who their real enemies are. When you insinuated that giving me more detail would "serve no purpose", thought I would follow suit with the "mental workout" comment. Strickly "Tit for Tat". Do I really need a "license to practice telepathic psychology".

You are a Christian and yet I believe your understanding is incomplete and sometimes heretical. Blaming you is pointless, rather I blame those who knew the truth, yet taught lies...The Reformers. My belief is that Jesus won't count off points for being wrong about some truths. In the fullness of time Christ will bring you where he wants you. Excommunication is not "condemming to Hell" but excluding a sinner from the saving help of the Catholic Church, not a problem for a guy like you I trust? The Council of Trent happened in a period of mutual animosity. But, you are free to hate us for a myriad of reasons.


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Last first: I have studied many of the various catechisms that have been put out by the Roman Catholic Church over the centuries. It is not correct to say that Roman Catholics have faith in God only, since they claim that Tradition (with a capital "T") is equal in authority to the Bible.

At its base, this is putting faith in the teachings of uninspired men, rather than in the Holy Spirit who co-authored the Bible with the inspired men he chose. From this basic error spring all the other errors of the RCC, including Mariolatry. (As to the statement about 'no good Catholic worships Mary,' you must count most parish priests, monks, bishops and popes in that crowd, which leaves precious few of you, if true.)

As to the hordes of leftists being the enemies of Christians, this is false on its face:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12

The hordes of leftists are lost souls who desperately need to hear the gospel clearly preached, something the Roman Catholic church has not only not done, but has opposed at every step for centuries.

Jesus loves you, GG.


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Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
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Those are examples of my abusing your posts, GG, not your person. Words & thoughts are not persons. OTOH, you insulted me by calling me stupid, a fool, and saying I need a "mental workout." Do you have a license to practice telepathic psychology?

If I hold to a heresy, then how can I be part of the "entire Church of Christ?" The RCC excommunicates people like that, & calls my kind of church "separated brethren," which doesn't sound like part of the whole. You're trying to have it both ways.

Anyone who consigns me to Hell is my enemy, be he a Progressive Democrat, a Fundamental Baptist, or a pope. Rome has not retracted the Trent Decrees, or much else it said, for it claims to be "irreformable." Hence what Rome said in the 16th century is still pertinent. Surely no Roman Catholic could claim otherwise. Or does faith has nothing to do with logic?


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You cannot give absolute power to aberrant thinkers. Sadly, much of the persecution probably issues from obsequious persons with concurring sentiments. (For a moment, I thought this person was fired for mispronouncing homosexuality. A poorly worded headline.)

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Quote of the Day: "personal abuse is no substitute for thoughtful argumentation."

Neil:Re your recent comments: "...such a careless reading...","...informing you in more detail would serve no purpose...","...avoid arguing like a thwarted toddler...". What was that about abuse again?

I do agree that the Doctrine of "Justification by Faith Alone" is a heresy and if you understood the truth but held to a heresy the result would, without the Grace of God, be Hell. My "Whining", as you call it, has to do with how the entire Church of Christ, in all it's parts, confronts it's enemies in the 21st century. Notice, this isn't the 16th Century any more, nor should we be acting toward each other as if it were. The Pope and I are not your enemies, Speaker Pelosi, Harry Reid, Obama, and the hords of Leftist's are. You don't want to be involved with us...well I for one, don't want you either, but your enemies are mine and mine are yours....we should act together but stay apart, in order to insure our mutual survival...end of story. I have every right as a Child of God and as a living being to dissent from any teaching.

FCSBG: I get really tired of answering the many erronious notion about Catholicism. We have faith in God only. No good Catholic worships Mary. To be continued....


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In order to more intelligent prayer, San Jose John, is Harlan's hatred of God the result of some specific event in the past, or circumstance in his present; or is it intellectual? As I have no desire for intimate prying, an extremely general response would be sufficient. Please forgive my delay. My computer has not been behaving for a couple of days.

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Neil wrote:
I think I have heard of McGrath's book in an Economist review. Is it a good read & informative?
Yes, it was a good read.

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